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July 26, 2005
Oh, yeah? I think my driver could beat your driver
Our friend Keith is absolutely correct. It's time for a new topic. So why don't we revisit the tried and true Who's The Better Driver Debate? But let's leave out the usual suspects and talk about women.
Danica-mania is, of course, still gripping sports departments nationwide. ESPN, The Associated Press and others scrambled like nobody's business last weekend to report thoroughly and breathlessly that Ms. Patrick had spun and wrecked mid-race at Milwaukee. Which, I suppose, is understandable. The Formula One media did the same thing - up until this season anyway - when Michael Schumacher so much as smoked his tires. (Bridgestones, not the Indy-offending Michelins.)
Sarah Fisher, too, has been getting some ink and bears responsibility for the burning of much videotape. Kathrine Legge, a Brit with a big right foot, has won a couple of Toyota Atlantic races, too. Allison Duncan is another good one.
Ashley Force, John's daughter, is making waves in the NHRA. Angelle Sampey has been doing so for years.
And there's Eric Crocker, the former World of Outlaws winner that Ray Evernham has taken under the same wing many credit with a degree of Jeff Gordon's success.
There are likely others, current and past, that ought to be mentioned and/or brought into the discussion.
There's no doubt that Danica Patrick has gotten the most press of the current crop. That's gonna happen when you lead the Indianapolis 500 late in the day and have David Letterman as one of your team owners. And I don't doubt for a second that she knows what she's doing. She's learning, too, every time out.
But I think Erin Crocker could beat her in a match race in just about any kind of car, just so long as it's on an oval. Otherwise, my money would be on Patrick.
But you know who I think could give any of them a good run for their money?
Louise Smith, Sara Christian and Ethel Flock Mobley.
Those three showed up for "'Big Bill" France's second Strictly Stock race in Daytona, about a month after the first one that was ever held, in Charlotte in 1949. They went door-to-door with the Red Byrons, the Flock brothers and the rest of the stars of stock car racing's early days.
Ehtel Flock Mobley, in fact, beat two of her three better-known brothers in the race.
Those, of course, were the days well before driver-development programs, developmental racing series and diversity programs. If you wanted to race, fine. Just don't ask for or give any quarter if you wanted to hold your own. And they held their own just fine, coming out ahead of many a man.
Know what else? I'll bet you a horse collar any of the three of them could hold their own in the contests that often followed races of that colorful - and sadly, bygone - era.
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I love wathcing girls race. It's one of the reasons why I jumped on the racing bandwagon...if a woman can race with the big boys, she's allowed. It ain't about gender, its about speed.
Yet nowadays some of these owners seem more interested in using a woman as a marketing tool. So if she can do sexy speads in FHM, perhaps she's a good candidate for an "accelerated" program. I don't buy into that.
I'm glad if Danica-mania can help open some NASCAR owner's eyes and remind them that there are some great women racers out there. But when I hear about teams trying to spark contents like "who can get a woman to victory lane first" I'm offended. Let 'em get their on talent, perseverence and sacrifice like the rest of them drivers.
Posted by: Allison | Jul 26, 2005 3:28:03 PM
I'd have to say Angelle Sampey, the NHRA Pro Stock Motorcyle rider, is the most successful woman in motorsports I know of. She has 3 Pro Stock championships and like 36 wins. She doesn't get nearly the publicity the girls like Danica get, but she's been around for a while now and is pretty well respected in the drag racing world. I think she is one of the first women, if not the first to ever garner big name sponors in racing.
It's good for the IRL to have Danica around, they surely can use the press. And I think she's getting more of a legimitate shot than any other woman has in the world of oval racing.
I think it's hard to say who is the best woman driver since so few have ever gotten the finacial backing to prove how good they are. Maybe Danica will open up those doors for others. But, I think it's going to be difficult for anyone to get a good seat in Nascar. But, you never know.
I worry the most about what impact it would have if someone like Danica was seriously injured in racing. It would be a terrible tragedy and likely a big set back to women racing in elite series. Watching the IRL and the injuries and G-forces during wreckst...I get very nervous for her. I know she's tough, but she's not the biggest person in the world.
Posted by: Michael | Jul 26, 2005 3:56:01 PM
You're right about Angelle. NASCAR is just now getting around to talking diversity and it's beeen a reality at the drag races for years.
As Allison notes, it's about speed. Women = all kinds of people - have been racing successfully in the NHRA and IHRA for long enough that it's the norm, not something that the marketing department has to get way heavily involved in.
Michael: You're right. The same people oohing and aaaahing about fast women on the track will be the first and loudest to lament a serious injury. The drag racers experienced it years ago with Shirley Muldowney. And, guess what? Muldowney got over it, drag racing got over it and they will too.
But it will be THE STORY when it happens in the IRL, ARCA and NASCAR and its minor leagues.
Posted by: Bob Henry | Jul 26, 2005 7:21:25 PM
Throw Cha Cha Muldowney and Lynn St. James in there and we could have one serious match race!
Michael, your comments are what were said about women jockeys about 30 years ago. There aren't many of them, but of those who have ridden, a number have gotten hurt, healed up, and ridden again. Toughness is not defined by size or gender--it's defined by the courage in the athlete.
Posted by: Jo | Jul 26, 2005 11:25:22 PM
Danika with traction control,Crocker without it.I would like to see an all female IROC race.settle this question once and for all
Posted by: hostage94 | Jul 26, 2005 11:48:59 PM
Jo,
I'm certaintly not questioning the courage of Danica or any driver, male or female in motorsports. However, a wall hit at 200mph doesn't care how couragous you are. At the end of the day a persons physical make up/build can make the difference in surviving an accident, male or female.
Posted by: Michael | Jul 27, 2005 10:16:41 AM
Thumbs up to JO...Muldowney and St. James are the only women to establish themselves as racers. Danica has a great team but I kinda have to agree with some on the weight issue...cars that use carbon fiber to lose weight have a driver who weighs 40lbs less than her nearest male weight. Talented I'm sure she is...and certainly a Great Model/Spokesperson for her sponsers...a great racer we'll see
Posted by: Keith | Jul 28, 2005 12:01:17 AM
Thanks for the shout-out to Sara Christian, man. I tried to do some research on her a few years back. In Joe Menzer's history of Nascar (great book), she rates exactly one line, and none of the other early female drivers even get that much. So thanks for keeping the faith!
Posted by: Sara | Jul 29, 2005 2:01:36 PM
Tom Higgins tells me there's a prof at UNC Asheville who's working on a history of NASCAR-kind of project. Maybe we can lean on Tom and that guy to help us fill in some more of these blanks.
I've always felt that the early timers were larger than life characters compared with some of today's drivers. Maybe that's because I've grown up (a little) along the way. But how big must it have been for the women like Sara Christian and some of the other pioneers?
These women were members of America's Greatest Generation, some of them "Rosie the Riveter" types who helped keep our country running while many men were in Europe and the Pacific fighting World War II.
No one was surprised that some of them jumped at the chance to rub elbows and fenders with the guys on the track when the war ended and the racing picked back up.
But I'm like you. I'd like to learn a lot more.
Thanks for writing.
Posted by: Bob Henry | Jul 29, 2005 4:19:22 PM
I wonder if some of these race fans think that Shirley Muldowney was a guy? After all, how many guys can claim they ever drove a car at 320 mph? Muldowney did and she has more championships than almost every male driver in racing. In fact, she won her championships only after being nearly burned to death and, yet, people say Danicka is revolutionizing racing?
Please...
When a woman comes along that truly has the spark it takes to be a champion, we'll know and we won't need sponsor hype or high-profile stars to point it out to us. Meanwhile, I think racing owes a lot more respect to Muldowney. She earned it.
Posted by: Buddynoel | Jul 30, 2005 12:53:16 AM
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