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February 28, 2005
Is coverage getting worse?
First, congrats to Biffle for the win.
Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the coverage is getting worse, if you're not running in the top ten or one of the commentators picks for the race, it's hard to get information on what's going on with drivers throughout the race, unless they wreck.
Take Newman for example, he was running near the front, not up front, when he had to pit early for a tire going down. That was mentioned and then he was caught a lap down when caution came out due to that early green flag stop. Then even mentioned it when he got the lap back, after that was when it became confusing. I noticed by running order he was still running near the tail of the field, they mentioned an overheating problem, OK. Next thing I know, he's even further down, getting his lap back again, I don't remember a mention of why he was a lap down again though. I read this morning that he got a speeding penalty on pit road, which put him a lap down, that makes sense.
Yes, I may be complaining about them not covering Newman, but what about all the others that weren't mentioned? What about their fans? How much was mentioned about Jeff Burton, Dale Jarrett, Bobby Labonte, Jeremy Mayfield, etc? It's not fair to their fans to not cover their drivers, just because they aren't running up front. Why not do a through the field, every once in a while to cover where the other drivers are and what their problems may be?
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I dont think Jeff Gordon has gotten the coverage he deserves, the Fox network all they can talk about is Kyle Bush.Jeff gordon is the best driver on the track.He is #1.
Posted by: marlene | Apr 27, 2008 10:56:51 PM
i think nascar should go back to the commentators they had with Ken Squire, Buddy Baker, Ned Jarrett, Eli Gold, Bob Jenkins, Dr. Jerry Punch and televise all nascar races on CBS, ABC, ESPN, and TBS that was the best coverage NASCAR ever had this FOX and NBC stuff suckes.
Posted by: Scotty | Mar 9, 2005 5:56:08 PM
I think the reason they cover Dale Jr and Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson is because they are the favorites to the win the cup, and have been for the past 3 years. Granted I'm a Jeffy fan and hated the face that DW completely missed Jeff passing Jr. because he was too busy yapping at Daytona, I guess I can forgive him. He is getting old. lol I remember screaming at DW thru my TV, "HE PASSED HIM!!" but did he listen to me?? NOOOOO. hahaha
Posted by: Anna | Mar 7, 2005 9:10:58 PM
we need to send this list of complaints to Fox and pray that the coverage gets better. They need to learn from the radio broadcasters as how to call the race.
Posted by: steve | Mar 6, 2005 8:53:59 AM
i do understand that the leaders should be talked about more than those who have fallen back. i just wish that nascar would take time (which the do, with a "visa race break") and inform us about all of the drivers. see when they do a race break, they just do a recap of the events in the race, which all of us already know about. what they need to do is take notes on who the announcers have not talked about very much and then talk about those drivers. it makes so much sense to me, becuz every nascar fan (believe it or not) isnt a dale jr fan and they dont want to hear about how many laps down he is when there driver could be the same number of laps down, but not a single mention of it. who knows, maybe things will get better
Posted by: dan | Mar 6, 2005 12:47:53 AM
The race coverage on Fox is getting worse and worse every race. They need to show more of the drivers in the middle and the back of the field instead of the same 5 or 10 up front. The announcers need to get more serious about calling the race and not of each other. And for god's sake, what the hell does this "hollywood hotel" thing have to do with the race? Get rid of it and you will have more time to devote to the coverage of the race instead of those 2 idiots talking about stuff everybody already knows. The NBC coverage is much better but the through the field thing puts me to sleep.
Posted by: steve | Mar 5, 2005 3:55:34 PM
I noticed several folks being thankful for their TrackPass subscription. Does anybody else think that Fox's lack of universal coverage seems like an inducement to buy TrackPass? Oh! Does that sound like a conspircy between NASCAR and a major sponsor? That could never happen in the USA!
Posted by: Dan Williams | Mar 5, 2005 3:13:46 PM
I'm in the minority; I think the coverage is the best it ever has been; more cameras, technological adavnces, more inside information, etc. They put more emphasis on the leaders because they are the leaders.
Find the TV frequency (450.0 to 450.1 band) on your race-track scanner and listen to how much goes into a telecast.
Announcers? Sometimes they're over the top, but I try to focus on how much they're informing me and how passionate they sound. I'm glad guys like DW and BP are there; do you think Brent Musburger will host the Indy 500 and make it sound like he really cares??
And they have to cover Dale Jr. at 5 laps down like they cover Tiger Woods when he's 10 shots behind; the superstars should not be ignored, but they also should not be dwelled-on when they're way down.
Didn't you love to watch Nicklaus walking up 18 to a roaring ovation, even when he was out of contention? Golf networks don't do as much of that anymore, but that's for another m-board.
I would like to see more interviews of the "little guys" when they fall out of the race; they would beg to get to a camera and thank their sponsors. When a "big" name gets in a wreck or blows up, they shun interviews or use profanity.
Posted by: al pote | Mar 4, 2005 4:08:42 PM
I agree, I am a die hard Mayfield fan. I can't even keep up with what is going on with him because all they talk about is DEI (the JR show) and Hendrix. Is Jeremy's car tight, loose, or what? Half the time I can't even tell if he is on the lead lap. And he was in the chase last year, but DW does not like him and that is obvious. Yeah they are having a hard time with the new crew chief switch (which I don't understand) but man, how is a JM fan or a Sadler, Newman, Labonte, etc. supposed to keep up with anything. Hurry up NBC!!!
Posted by: Woodsman | Mar 4, 2005 1:45:31 PM
I think that the Fox network coverage is the worst. ESPN and NBC are the best. Especially ESPN. I can't stand DW and the others. And I am so sick of the start of every race with the "tighten those belts" and the horrible "boogity".
To me they have no respect for the fans or the drivers. Do they think we are a bunch of children who have to be bombarded with jokes and jiberish.
It would be nice if NASCAR would cancel their contract with the Fox network.
Posted by: Annette | Mar 4, 2005 11:56:22 AM
I remember when the only race coverage was the Daytona 500 on CBS and MRN on the radio for everything else...
Posted by: Richie | Mar 4, 2005 11:28:59 AM
Bravo to whoever remarked on Waltrip's fractured grammar. It would be irritating enough on its own, but when you know he's faking it, it's even more grating. This guy grew up middle class, not poor Southern. In fact, early in his career -- I'm talking the late '70s -- he did several interviews complaining about what an outsider he was because he spoke correctly, or could go into a restaurant and know which fork to use and the right wine to order. So now that they give him a camera and a microphone, his mouth drips cornpone and molasses every week? The big phony!
Posted by: Rick | Mar 4, 2005 8:59:32 AM
I don't think its getting worse I think it has stayed the same. I think its always been bad.
As a Dale Ernheart Fan I watched Dale many many times start way back and then win the race.
I often felt that Dale had no interest in qualifing. But when started from the back the T.V. fans heard nothing about him.It seemed he marked his time saved his car and when he thought it was right made his move. And as one of your dumber Canadian fans I say it worked pretty well.The same was true of King Richard. Not in the top ten no meation except win he won.Also I would like to see more of thr old style fan teaching session.I feel the more I learn about the cars and the pit stops the more I enjoy the show.
Thanks
Jeff Marsh
Milton Ont
Canada
Posted by: Jeff Marsh | Mar 4, 2005 5:58:28 AM
Whine Whine Whine, so your driver screwed up lost an engine, then went down in laps.What can FOX tell us about a driver that is down laps, now if they failed to tell us about gettin those laps back up and winning the race, then get pissed. If my driver went laps down (like I think he did last weekend,#24) I would not expect to hear another word about him (like what happened last weekend) FOX does a better job than NBC, and I hate the second half of the season cause I have to watch a bunch of sports jerks on NBC that doesn't know to cover NASCAR
Posted by: Tracie Wolfe | Mar 3, 2005 6:18:30 PM
I agree, the coverage is getting worse. I watch the race to see all 43 drivers, not just the top ten. Also, why do the commentators feel the need to bad mouth the drivers? One makes comments before even the team knows what is going on. I watch the races for inspiration for my writing and pure enjoyment of the race, not to hear someone bad mouthing the drivers who risk everything for us. Cover the race and the facts, not their personal opinions. Last year it was Tony Stewart they picked on, this year it is Kevin Harvick. Commentate the race, that's why we tune in.
Posted by: Poet K. A. Steffek | Mar 3, 2005 9:50:31 AM
HMMM...
What made Nascar was when it was on ESPN. Yes the 4 letter network made Nascar the sport it is. I bet we could have better coverage if it were on ABC, ESPN's sister company. If I had to pick one of my two evils, it would be Fox over NBC.
Posted by: BudMan8 | Mar 3, 2005 6:37:20 AM
im a jeremy mayfield fan. he started 3rd in the race and by the end of the first lap he was running 9th. than 10 laps into he was in the twenty's. i knew somthing was terribly wrong with the car but did fox ever tell me anything about him? nope. all that they told me was that he pitted during the green flag and got caught a lap down. sons of bitches only care about dale jr! sure he caused a caution or two which would lead to media coverage. but he was 14 laps down and DW would not shut his whole about him and god and im so tired of muting my tv everytime a race is about to start. where is NBC when i need them? maybe at las vegas jr will go 50 laps down, that way he can get even more coverage YESSSS!!!!!!
Posted by: dan | Mar 2, 2005 10:33:53 PM
I Agree with the coverage. If Darrell Waltrip like you he talks about you alot, like Dale Jr and his Brother Michael. I like Dale Jr but he always talking about him and his brother Michael. If Michael is so great then why is he on the bubble this year. It's a apparent that he doesn't like Jeff Gordon. What happened to the broadcasters that didn't take sides. I'll be glad when NBC starts coverage.
Posted by: Roger | Mar 2, 2005 9:14:09 PM
I thought the fact that they missed Jeff Gordon passing Dale Junior said enough about the race coverage. AND that was at the front.
Posted by: Ralph | Mar 2, 2005 8:37:22 PM
I watch the TV and listen to the radio. There is too many commercials on the TV. I want to see more of the race and less talk from the commentators.
Posted by: Patricia | Mar 2, 2005 7:19:47 PM
I watch the TV and listen to the radio. There is too many commercials on the TV. I want to see more of the race and less talk from the commentators.
Posted by: Patricia | Mar 2, 2005 7:19:47 PM
It's getting more and more obvious NASCAR has two concerns their tv rateings and the diversity program. I'm a firm believer that if you can do the job, you should get the pay regardless of sex or race, but i'm tired of getting it rammed down my throat. Watch out NASCAR it may backfire on you.
Posted by: Buddy Greco | Mar 2, 2005 4:58:02 PM
The fundamental problem is the FOX crew is inferior to the NBC team. What has it been now, two - three years with the 50/50 deal. I struggle the first 50% of the season each time and then feel refreshed when NBC picksup the show! Boogity, boogity, boogity would be a good circus act, was a great driver, but I hope the next circus through town picks up his option and he hits the road with his cohorts! Brign on NBC!
Posted by: Denny Gilbert | Mar 2, 2005 4:43:27 PM
Personally, I like the FOX coverage much more than the NBC coverage. The NBC coverage is too dry and they tend to miss alot of the action. All the races on TNT, they cannot cut out of commercials for wrecks. Allen was the only good person on NBC/TNT and he isn't even going to be calling the races this year.
Posted by: Jason | Mar 2, 2005 4:34:54 PM
It's always interesting to see how many "My Driver" is better than yours, I can't stand "insert your driver here", posts you see. It seems to me the topic was race coverage. FOX has commercialled us to death. If it isn't a commercial, it's a tight shot of the leader by himself, or maybe the top five. WIth the current fascination of Fantasy Racing, I have a hard time keeping up with the drivers on my roster. I actually like the crawl that shows how far back a driver is, either in seconds from the leader or laps down. Quite often, I'm not parked on the couch watching every minute of the race. I'm in and out working on something, and unfortunatley, there isn't a radio station I can pick up that carries the race.
As far as commentators, I like Alan Bestwick. I can do without DW, Wally Dallenbach AND Benny Parsons.
Posted by: Chris Dalton | Mar 2, 2005 4:22:43 PM
It sounds like we all agree that the radio coverage gives us a "better picture" of the race than FOX... with these 3 "tv funnymen". I must admit that anything that starts off with "bogitty..." could never amount to much. That wouldn't be funny in kindergarten. It's beneath the "Dukes of Hazzard". They need to keep "Larry Mc" to 10 minutes max in any race. After that his voice is like running your fingernails down a chalkboard. It would be like listening to Nedley Jarrett all afternoon.
FOX should have hired Eli Gold and Buddy Baker.... at least they, like Benny Parsons, know racing. All "Ole DW" is doing is trying to be funny (he really isn't... except for the fractured grammer)_and preparing the way for brother Mikey to get up in
the "Hollywood Hotel".
Posted by: Jim 17 | Mar 2, 2005 4:19:35 PM
I have to agree that the coverage on FOX isn't so great this season. I am an avid fan of Bobby Labonte and because he is a veteran and not part of DEI or Hendrick MotorSports he hardly gets a mention. I guess it doesn't help that Tony Stewart is his team-mate.
The issue about commercials is another thing. I actually timed it on Sunday and FOX would take a commercial break every 7 minutes. As for interupting a commercial in the event of a crash...not true. I was watching the in-car camera of Michael Waltrip during the Daytona 500 and saw a crash in progress but the network was still in commercial. I figure the field had completed at least a lap and was starting to pit before FOX came back from commercial. Even on Sunday I found a few times where they would come back from commercial and everyone would be entering pit-road and there was a yellow flag. FOX even went so far as to cover the pitstops before there was any mention of what had happened to bring out the caution.
Both NBC and FOX have their good points, for example I like the cut-away car on FOX as well as the crank-it-up on FOX and on NBC they have the through the field feature and no other network on which they air races (FOX and FX). I live in Canada and TSN has the rights to all NASCAR races and if a race is on FX they don't always cover it live in Canada depending on what else is happening in Sports at the time of the race. As far as commercials go I much prefer the commercials on FOX than the horrible, dull commercials we get on TSN (which dumps their feed overtop of FOX to improve their ratings and Canadian content.) But all in all I'd much rather watch the race than commercials.
Posted by: Hendrik Pape | Mar 2, 2005 4:02:54 PM
The fact that the cameras only follow the Top Five is not just an opinion, it's a fact. You even heard Kenny Wallace talk about it openly during "NASCAR Drivers 360" last year. He said the main reason he ran Busch last year in the Stacker 2 car was because the sponsor came to him and told him that unless you can run Top Five, they don't cover you, so the sponsor guided him toward a Busch program where they would get more value for their sponsorship dollar. That's also why you see cars further back in the field, even "name" drivers and "name" teams, struggling to find sponsors.
Posted by: Rick | Mar 2, 2005 3:56:45 PM
Yes I agree with the statement that they do a poor job on covering other drivers that aren't as popular as the Jeff Gordon's or the Tony Stewart's of the Nascar family. I also am a Jeff Burton fan and it is tough on finding out what the other drivers are doing during the race. Thank god for Track Pass to be able to follow my favorite drivers or I wouldn't know whats going on with the other drivers.
Posted by: Edward McGettigan | Mar 2, 2005 3:55:58 PM
I agree that only select drivers get mentioned on the broadcasts. That's why I think Trackpass is so valuable, otherwise if your name doesn't end with the extension Jr., or the select Fraternity of well-known names and otherwise favorites of those who are in control, nobody knows how you're running in the race. Race Dialogue should be about all drivers when possible. I happen to be a fan of Ryan, and it disturbes me to see he and other talented and deserving driver being glossed over during the race as if they were just "also drivers." I first noticed it on NBC, and now it seems to be a Fox malady also. I can appreciate the two-edged sword for announcers, and if they were to listen, only, to their dialogue following any race, they'd see that many drivers are never mentioned. Personally, I like DW, for being a new fan of the races, I've learned a lot from him. I am also of the opinion that "team" mentality makes the races unfair to all divers, particularly those without a history and inadequate funding, for the race then becomes the powerful against the weak. A single driver has no chance.
Posted by: Louise Compton | Mar 2, 2005 3:53:21 PM
I'll add my vote to the Fox coverage sucks. It begins with that damn "boogity-boogity lets go racing boyz" thing. However, they are half-decent at interrupting commercials when something happens on the track. I don't recall NBC ever doing that.
People are funny. They always feel their driver is getting slighted by the media. Jeff Gordon is getting more coverage because he won the Daytona 500. They will always cover the driver capable of selling more product first. This week they'll be talking about Biffle. Its one of the reasons some of love the sport - flashy corporate sponsored cars.
There is a reason why they don't talk about Bobby Hamilton, Jr. He isn't as good as Gordon, Johnson, Junior, Newman, Busch, etc.. But when he got in the top 20 last week (wow!), they mentioned him.
If you want your driver talked about, they need to do something worth talking about. Harvick likes to wreck people every now and then to get attention.
I just wish Kenseth and Rousch would get his act together. He is better than he has been performing.
Posted by: Dennis | Mar 2, 2005 3:01:53 PM
The sex stimulant commercials are too embarassing to tolerate when youngsters or company are present. Why doesn't NASCAR recognize this and limit their commercials to sponsorship of the cars? If they wanted to drop their sponsoship that would be okay. There are probably more socially acceptable companies to take their place.
Posted by: Wayne Moore | Mar 2, 2005 2:45:42 PM
Let's face it, FOX doesn't have the time to do up close and personal without taking away from sponsor mentions, spot breaks, sponsor features and sponsored features about sponsors. The NBC coverage may be dull, but it's more like the old CBS coverage, which lacked rap music and MTV-style flash. Maybe FOX can run lesser-known drivers in a pre-race show with Jimmy, Howie and Terry. I bet they'll find sponsors for it.
Posted by: Buddynoel | Mar 2, 2005 2:39:35 PM
BTW - I am also looking forward to the ESPN/ABC IRL simulcast - Better racing, better drivers, and far better announcers.
Posted by: Carl | Mar 2, 2005 2:22:30 PM
I think you guys make it out like it is easy to cover these things. I imagine it is a very tough task. Listening to the side channels at the races, you can hear director instructions and it is like running a 12-ring circus.
I think you have to count on written press to cover post-race issues, but I agree, there needs to be better coverage on important race events during the race, regardless of the position.
Through the field from NBC is boring as heck because there is nothing to talk about with most drivers, but Fox needs to try something similar so that they don't ignore the Newmans, Sadlers and others.
There is too much weight on the Hendrick teams, but no matter how you hate them, they are dominant. At least Roush is not getting ignored this year.
Posted by: Carl | Mar 2, 2005 2:20:15 PM
Watching FOX has always been painful. They never keep the cameras on the cars long enough so you can pick out your driver. They never talk about any of the drivers in the field that aren't running up front. At least NBC does "through the field" twice through the race so you can find out what happened to the drivers you are interested in. I've never heard anyone on TV slaughter the english language as much or as badly as the FOX announcers. As for favoritisim, my husband calls it Dale, Jr racing (instead of NASCAR racing) as during speedweeks and the 500 he was all that was talked about. Fortunately he was rarely mentioned last week as he was at the rear of the field . .but we all knew why! As long as the 24 & 48 are running up front you will hear about them. I agree FOX needs to do a better job covering the other cars in the field so fans know what is happening with them. Listening to the race on the radio while watching on TV is by far the best way to enjoy the race. Maybe if we're lucky someone from FOX will read this page and start cleaning up their act. Only 4 more months and we'll have NBC back.
Posted by: Cindy | Mar 2, 2005 2:14:43 PM
I agree. Its become a love fest for Jr. There are a number of other drivers out there with fans that aren't at the race. We'd like to see them every once in a while and heard them talked about.
Also, they'll focus on the leaders at the front, with 4 or 5 car lengths between them, and miss a great race for 11th or 12th spot - HEY FOX, THAT'S RACIN!
Posted by: Kman | Mar 2, 2005 2:01:28 PM
You are right on. The coverage of anyone but the few "picked" one's is lousy. I would like to see more of the also ran's. Why would a sponsor want to be a sponsor if he knows his guy isn't one of the "picked" one's ??
Posted by: Gary | Mar 2, 2005 2:01:21 PM
I wouldn't even call what FOX does covering the race. What I gather from the telecast is that DW and Larry sit there and chit chat with each other talking about how DW is a race car driver and how larry is a crew chief. They BS back and forth and talk about who ever they want regardless of what is actually being shown on the screen. FOX will show the in car cam of Dale Jarrett and DW is talking about what he would be doing right now if he were in a race car. How about you talk about what the viewers are seeing on the screen?
AND YES, NO MORE BOOGITY BOOGITY. Nothing is more annoying. Hey DW, friends shouldn't let friends commentate old.
FOX itself has dropped the ball. Gordon wins the 500. As Gordon is doing his burnouts and performing a lawn job across the grass, FOX cuts to an interview with JR. We can see Gordon's smoke in the background as he burns rubber and all we get to see is JR.
When Biffle wins, they CUT TO COMMERCIAL!!! As if being on the air for 5 hours isn't enough time to squeeze in enough commercials. They could wait until AFTER Biffle did his celebrating to cut away?
I cannot wait until NBC takes over the coverage.
Posted by: Eddie Suarez | Mar 2, 2005 1:58:13 PM
I don't think there's too much to add to this topic except I'd like to weigh in on the over-saturation of commercials. Daytona was insane--I swear it seemed liked the cars turned more laps under commercial than during the coverage by Fox. I know Fox paid big $$ for their half-season and deserves to be able to sell ads to try and make money on the deal, but Fox appears to be totally beholden to the ad-men. Daytona is becoming a much more boring race than it has been in the past, so why would Fox cut to a commercial when DW and Larry Mac admit that the race has all of a sudden become exciting (when they cut away when Gordon was challenging Tony and everyone else was bunched up and running 2-3 wide)! Fox misses Gordon passing for the lead and only cuts in to the ad when the 8-12 car wreck happens! Maddening as hell!
Posted by: Jeremiah | Mar 2, 2005 1:53:59 PM
I think the last two race covrages are really slipping in quality
I will be glad when Benny Parsons and Ned Jarret get back in the booth
DW is ok but the other two (especially Dale Sr's crewchief)
have terrible TV voices, not a lack of knowledge but
just not TV friendly voices
I can also live without with 1-1/2 hour opening preshow
ESPN is best in my opinion, NBC is good, Fox so far stinks
is TNT doing any race coverage this year? I hope so
Posted by: dwwave | Mar 2, 2005 1:47:36 PM
I think Kathy is correct in the fact that veiwers come from all the drivers . We want to know how our favors are doing also throught the race. The Veiw of the cars going round d round is ok for the common race fan but other of us like to know how the field is doing from car to car.
Kansas Speedway season ticket holder
Posted by: Bob | Mar 2, 2005 1:46:44 PM
I didn't know that anyone received a speeding penalty until it was mentioned Monday Night on Inside Nextel Cup. That part was especially poor. And while I am by no means Ryan Newman's biggest fan, he is a big enough star that he deserved better coverage. Also from INC: Jimmie Johnson's race to second was not quite as unforseeable as it seemed.
Posted by: Michael | Mar 2, 2005 1:40:52 PM
They keep showing running order across the screen but rarely show time behind or laps down. Also, my petpeeve is that they never show the running order after caution pit stops.
Posted by: Roy | Mar 2, 2005 1:35:02 PM
Coverage on both channels makes me miss ESPN and I hope like h3ll that they can oust both Fox and nbc and carry the races by themselves. And Dw was and still is the biggest joke in NASCAR (in my opinion) Thanks
Posted by: Jon D | Mar 2, 2005 1:34:42 PM
It's FOX. I've hated FOX coverage since the day they started. It's boring boring boring. They don't cover racing, you never know what's going on after the front two or three. They do have great shots of the cars flying by, though. Granted, "through the field" has it's boring moments, but it's better than nothing! Don't even get me started on the FOX announcers... I now turn down the sound on my TV for the beginning of each race. Who told Daryl we needed to hear ANYTHING other than green,green green?
Posted by: Leigh | Mar 2, 2005 1:33:42 PM
I totaly agree I hate the FOX announcers all they care about is Jr., and the Hendrick drivers. NBC should carry all the races at least they talk about each driver during the race more then once.
Posted by: Sharon | Mar 2, 2005 1:18:44 PM
Yes,It is getting worse.It started when ESPN was shut out and NOW with the new T.V. deals there are more adds than there is racing!
Posted by: Earl | Mar 2, 2005 1:18:13 PM
They don't think they have to go through the field and talk about each one, but they could show the field more than they do. Sometimes one of the drivers goes out of the race and you don't even know it for a while, or what happened to him, especially if he's not one of your top drivers.
Posted by: Teresa | Mar 2, 2005 1:14:28 PM
Try getting sponsorship money for a team. They only show the big boys. Very tired of them not mentioning or zooming in on the logos on the small teams.Sure were not up front but at least a little PR help would go along way. NBC runs thru the field! That is awesome.Plus tell us what happens to every car when it's out of the race.Remember the big teams were small once too. I believe FOX is staring to loose it.
Posted by: Mark D. | Mar 2, 2005 1:14:20 PM
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