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February 27, 2005
This 'n' that
After Mark Martin's win at California yesterday, it was brought up in the comment section about how much the Cup drivers are taking away from the regular Busch Series guys, as far as winnings and points. It's true, they did take quite a bit in yesterday's race.
So, I'll bring up something that I brought up in my old blog a while ago. Should the Cup drivers be allowed to race in the Busch Series and if so, under what conditions?
One of my suggestions was that they had to run the full season or a certain amount of races in the Busch Series, but then you run into the problem of how many races is the right number. What about the ones that are driving full-time in both series, should they not be allowed just because they drive full-time in the Cup series too?
Some say it's not fair to the regular Busch Series guys and some say it's good for them. One side has it where they're saying that they have no chance against the big bucks teams driven by the the Cup guys and then you have the others saying how great it would be for a driver to say he beat Mark Martin or Kevin Harvick in a race. Then what about the truck series? It doesn't happen nearly as much as in the Busch Series, but Cup drivers have driven in the truck races too.
So, what do you think? Should they keep it the way it is now or change it?
February 27, 2005 in NASCAR, NASCAR Busch Series, NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series | Permalink
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Comments
There are too many cup drivers getting in on the Busch Series. My take is as long as there are enough Busch drivers entered in a race, allow only the 5 fastest cup drivers in qualifing to race and the rest go home,as long as Busch guys can fill the field. Thanks for your great work Kathy.
Posted by: Zieke | Mar 6, 2005 8:40:42 AM
As a final note to this discussion. Not only did the Buschwhackers steal 1/3 of all points won, they made off with nearly 1/4 of the total purse available. This is sad, very sad indeed.
Figuring these numbers was not rocket science.
Hard to believe that anyone would have trouble figuring it out as simple as it is.
Posted by: Bill | Mar 3, 2005 2:43:48 PM
Yes the drivers should be allowed in any race they sign up and qualify for. I
do think its funny when Jr and company.
IE Chance 2 cars race, nobody says any
thing. But once Mark starts winning its
the same old sad story. After this year
ya'll wont be able to whine when he whips
up on all the Busch AND cup drivers in
that series. ps this is not baseball
there is no major and minor leagues.
Posted by: jeff | Mar 3, 2005 9:13:47 AM
YES LET THIM RACE BUT WITH ONLY 6 TIRES FOR THE WHOLE RACE! Where did the burn outs go SCREW FOX NEWS AND FOX SPORTS. I will not watch any more nascar. They just dont get it. But I will know whats going on with my satilite radio. FOX NEWS AND FOX SPORTS SUCK SO BAD!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: VOGEL | Mar 3, 2005 6:04:29 AM
Ihave said for some time,no cup drivers in the bush series.but at the same time i feel nascar has ruined stock car racing.nascar needs some competition from another stock car racing series.this sport was far better 25,30,40 years ago.to much fancy paint jobs,helmets.to much glitz.lets build cars,go to the track,unload it and go racin.no stupid yellow lines, lucky dogs and the rest of there stupid rules.also,no jap crap allowed.this is a good old boy AMERICAN sport.on the television side,get it off the networksand back on ESPN or SPEED networks.i saw more comercials than racin.i feel better now.
Posted by: bill cameron | Mar 2, 2005 9:17:02 PM
In my opinion it's an honor to make it to the "big show" and once you make it there then that is where you should stay. These guys worked hard to make it to the top. I think it's degrading to the Busch guys when the cup guys go race "down at that level" to make some easy money. Let the Busch guys race Busch guys and earn a seat in the Nextel cup. You don't see Major league baseball players going to the minor leagues to play ball (that I know of) It's would actually be a demotion if they were made to play in the minors after making the majors. I think NASCAR racing should be set up in a similar fashion. Now to me... truck racing is a totally different animal if you will and I can see the Nextel guys racing there.
I wouldn't mind seeing 1 to 3 races a year that are combined. Pit the best of Busch with the best of Nextel and Truck racing for non pt. races a couple times a year. That would give some of the younger Busch guys (and girls) a chance to race with the big fish and learn from them.
Posted by: Mary-Ann | Mar 2, 2005 3:40:13 PM
Busch-wackers:
How about not giving the "Cup" drivers any points??? and visa-versa. When "Busch" drivers go to "Cup" racing part time, don't give them any points also?
Posted by: Jacque Sad | Mar 1, 2005 11:19:39 AM
In my opinion the reason that it is good for the "big show" guys to race in Busch is simple - it puts people in the seats and in front of their televisions. Not a lot of average people know who the majority of the Busch guys are - but they do know who Mark Martin and Kevin Harvick are. I don't see them stopping the Nextel Cup guys from racing in Busch because of this economic reason.
In the long run I don't think it makes a big difference in the points - by season's end the Cup guys have not run in enough races that one of the Busch regulars usually wins fair and square.
Posted by: Roxanna | Mar 1, 2005 10:49:08 AM
This has to be one of the oldest arguments is NASCAR history. I don't see any reason why a qualified driver should be denied entry to any race. We already have too many rules limiting who can enter.
It was better 25 or 30 years ago when the only rule was, if you qualify you race, if not you go home.
Posted by: Larry | Mar 1, 2005 7:45:09 AM
I'm undecided about this issue. On one hand it's good experience for a regular Busch driver to race with the more experienced Cup drivers. But on the other hand, how many regular Busch drivers don't make the field because of the Cup drivers? And this makes it come down to money; lost money for those who didn't make the race. Knowing the Busch Boys don't make nearly what the Cup guys do, this could make a difference to their team, and household budgets.
Posted by: Andy Coe | Feb 28, 2005 12:00:37 PM
I don't mind the ringers tearing it up with Busch. It's messy for following points, but it's not too bad. One positive thing: when a dedicated Busch series team beats a Cup ringer, they've really done well.
Hats off to Steve Park for winning the truck race. It would be great to see him move back into Cup.
Posted by: Brian Blazevic | Feb 28, 2005 1:29:22 AM
I thinks o.k. especially if they own their own team like Joe and Michael Waltrip and are trying to build their own team.
Posted by: Shelley DeWitt | Feb 27, 2005 11:57:27 PM
Nascar already has rules about competing "below level" - sort of. Basically, a driver that's licensed in the Cup series can race anywhere, even in a little weekly series. It's throwback to the days when racers drove as much as possible 'cause they needed the money. Now that the times have changed, maybe the rules should, too...but not because the Cup drivers are "stealing" from the Busch regulars. Any Busch driver who bitches about this shouldn't be offered a ride in the cup series, 'cause they obviously aren't ready.
Posted by: Sara | Feb 27, 2005 8:48:03 PM
All of the competitors in the race finished fair and square so there was no theft of money involved. I seriously doubt you will change anyones mind that doesn't already agree with you, but you can continue to try. I am not quite sure how you figured that they stole a 1/3 of the points from the full time Busch drivers.
Posted by: Jon | Feb 27, 2005 2:46:37 PM
The official results from NASCAR have not been posted yet so the exact amount of the 1.5 million dollar purse that was stolen by the buschwhackers is not known but according to my figures, the bushwhackers took a full 1/3 of the total points earned by all drivers on Saturday.
It's not right, it's just not right.
Posted by: Bill | Feb 27, 2005 2:13:06 PM
I agree with you 100% that the nextel cup drivers are taking away from the Busch drivers. There is just one thing we as race fans must remember and that is the Nascar officals are allowing the Nextel cup drivers to compete in the Busch series, and they (the Nascar Officals) are the only ones that can put a stop to it. I for one would like to see a rule that states: that once a team moves up to the next higher series that team can not compet in the series that they just came from. But in the same breath I also remind us race fans that the all mighty dollar speaks very loud and as long as the Nextel Cup drivers bring in the big bucks in the Busch Series.
So you see race fans this ordeal will continue to go on until Nascar see fit to put a stop to it, and at last time I check that doesn't appeear thats going to happen any time soon.
Thanks Rick.
Posted by: Richard A. Hackett Sr. | Feb 27, 2005 12:52:32 PM
Great debate question Kathy. I think it is perfectly fine that the Cup drivers continue to compete in the Busch races since some of them own their own Busch teams and they should be able to drive their own cars. I wouldn't be against it if they made them start in the back of the field and make them race to the front.
Posted by: Jon | Feb 27, 2005 12:30:57 PM
Well done Kathy!
Posted by: Bill | Feb 27, 2005 10:57:47 AM
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