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April 27, 2007
NASCAR's Damage Control?
NASCAR officials definitely were not happy with Tony Stewart for his comments earlier in the week and they decided to do damage control and add some PR spin to the whole thing today.
Stewart had to show up at the hauler this morning bright and early at 6 AM for his little meeting. They would not let the team touch the car or anything on their hauler until he had that meeting, which has the team a bit miffed, to say the least.
It was clear that Stewart and the #20 team were not happy and then came the spin in the media center.
With officials watching from the back of the media center, Stewart made these comments (see if you can spot where the spin comes in)...
"I know I did a lot of damage," Stewart said. "I'm a lot of times my own worst enemy."
"To be honest, the group that I spoke with this morning is a group of peers that I trust. If they tell me the stuff is out there, I believe them," he said.
"I should have went to them instead of just saying it out in public. That's frustration that's been building up with all these debris cautions."
Did you notice where the spin came in? It was right after his first statement. The rest seems more like NASCAR damage control, rather than Tony Stewart.
Anyone who's been around NASCAR for any length of time knows Stewart speaks his mind, sometimes even when he shouldn't, but those last two paragraphs didn't sound like the Tony Stewart I've seen over the years. I think that's just what NASCAR wanted him to say. Whether you love him or hate him, you have to admit that those above statements, other than the first line, sure didn't sound like Tony Stewart.
Now, the new article also says "penalties forthcoming", which surprised me because an earlier article on the subject said...
Although NASCAR has a policy that prohibits obscene language and gestures on television, the sanctioning body has no rule against criticizing its officiating. The NBA and NFL both fine its participants for criticizing the referees.
Hunter said NASCAR had no plans to punish Stewart for his remarks about officiating, which is done from a tower above the race track by a team of eight that includes NASCAR president Mike Helton and competition director Robin Pemberton.
Will we see NASCAR and Hunter go back on what they said? I guess we'll find out later today, since they said penalties were expected to be announced later Friday.
Damage control? PR Spin? Your thoughts?
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Well folks, I'm not a fair weather fan! I've always been a TS fan and will always be. It's called LOYALTY! I admire all the drivers for the courage to get out there and compete. As a gift, I was priviledged to ride around the TMS in the 20 car. And believe me it's an experience! So fixed, not fixed, it's entertainment! But hey, aren't we lucky to live in a country where we can say s__t about S__t!! SO GET OVER IT AND GET ON DOWN THE ROAD!!!
Posted by: Shirley | May 2, 2007 9:18:40 PM
What does everyone want? Among other things, for NASCAR to STOP PLAYING FAVORITES. The only way we can truly know they're not playing favorites is when the Biggest Names crash and burn (figuratively) at least in part because they get bagged by the refs and the darkhorses thus run roughshod over them to victory.
Posted by: Mike Daly | Apr 30, 2007 12:54:20 PM
Jon,
Tony Stewart has the right to say anything he wants to say. People like you conveniently forget that I have as much right as he does to say what I want to say. If Stewart wants to open his mouth and talk his goofy talk I have the freedom to comment on what he says. And Jon, you can feel free to comment on what I have to say. Get it Jon? I respect and appreciate Nascar and Tony Stewart for what they are - entertainment. And man! Is Tony Stewart entertaining or what!? I didn't see Tony asking for "More meat!" today. I think they caught on. Care to take it up where Tony left off Jon?
Posted by: ron | Apr 29, 2007 6:21:48 PM
Ron,
If you respect all drivers as you say you do then you should respect Tony's right to speak out against NASCAR. Listen to the way you are talking about him and claim you don't hate on him. The way you talk about him doesn't show respect for him.
Posted by: Jon | Apr 29, 2007 3:19:13 PM
Jon,
I do not hate Tony Stewart and I don't hate any driver in any series. I have complete respect for every driver out there. More respect, it seems to me, than Tony has for his fellow drivers and the officials in Nascar. I enjoy watching him squirm, talk out both sides of his mouth, search for excuses, dodge difficult questions, make admissions of stupidity and all the rest of the hysteria that is his act. It's when the race is over and Tony stops driving that the real fun starts for me! Tony might have "called Nascar out" but Nascar sure sent him right back in.
Please, someone honor Tony's request for "More meat!"
Posted by: ron | Apr 28, 2007 9:51:46 PM
Ron,
You sure enjoy to hate on Tony Stewart, what exactly has he done to you? By the way, Tony was talking about the fictious cautions in general. He isn't the only one that has brought up the caution issue, it was only Tony that basically called NASCAR out as far as manipulating outcomes.
I too enjoy seeing a good race and NASCAR throws a caution and yet no reason can be found for the caution it is very easy to draw the conclusion that they were attempting to manipulate the outcome.
Posted by: Jon | Apr 28, 2007 6:20:15 PM
Joe,
I'm guessing your real last name must be "BLOW".
(signed)
Ron Helton
Bwahahahah!
Kurt2, I'm not a "fan" of any driver in particular. I like to see good, competitive racing. My favorite thing to see is always a first time winner. I enjoy racing on the weekend but Tony Stewart and his Tourette's Syndrome antics keep me laughing all week long! Tony got beat Sunday and copped a big baby attitude about it. There weren't any cautions from the time Tony passed Gordon to the time Gordon passed him back. Yet your guy whines about cautions and race manipulation. I just want to see JPM, or anyone else for that matter, make a race of it and the road courses are where Montoya and maybe even Robby Gordon can do that. Stewart says he won't be teaching Montoya anything anymore. Last I checked Montoya had more Indy 500 wins than Tony and I'm sure he didn't consult Tony the Teacher when he won that one. I'm pretty sure Montoya won that 500 on his first attempt. Montoya has big brass balls compared to Tony Stewart's raisins. Better give Tony what he wants; More meat! He needs it.
Posted by: ron | Apr 28, 2007 4:49:06 PM
I wonder which Tony basher is going to be the first one to jump on him forbeing involved with the two wrecks in today's Busch Series race.
Posted by: Jon | Apr 28, 2007 4:37:59 PM
NASCAR must keep these type of criticisms quiet, they can not have these things getting out of hand to the point where there is justification for an investigation by an outside party. They have too many skeletons in their collective closet.
Posted by: Bill | Apr 28, 2007 3:18:51 PM
if u dont know who CALE is hi is france and ron is helton they are afraid to put there real names up, just showes they are liers that they dont even know how to tell truth. if tony hadnt said what they wonted him to say they wont let them race that is why they count unload car joe
Posted by: joe | Apr 28, 2007 2:19:30 PM
Smoke Fan said:
"Face it, that's why he's driving race cars, and not running for president. By the way, he'd get my vote."
I said:
Yes, we need some political-people that call "sh*t" "sh*t". He'd get my vote right ahead of Rudy. (Rudy 2008!)
Posted by: JWSmoke | Apr 28, 2007 12:39:41 PM
Cale,
NA$CAR is not a publicly traded company. ISC is. But not NA$CAR.
Posted by: JWSmoke | Apr 28, 2007 12:31:20 PM
NASCAR just proved how ridiculous of an organization they really are, Jim Hunter a senior member of the organization claims Tony Stewart would not be punished for his remarks and yet they decided to punish him for something that happened after last weekends race. Sounds pretty disorganized if you ask me. They have a procedure in place for reviewing and penalizing drivers and teams for things that occurred the weekend before. They didn't find it necessary to penalize him for not doing the interview until after he made his comments calling NASCAR out on its fictious cautions.
Posted by: Jon | Apr 28, 2007 11:37:18 AM
No . . . Tony probably, but neither would you or I . . . but these phony cautions would still be here . . . Tony made the comments on his own radio show; if nascar felt he had wronged nascar and the integrity and reputation of nascar . . . then do what most folks in a free speech society . . . sue TS for slander!! If its not true then you should be willing to let a jury of your peers decide . . . unless of course . . . jim hunter is quoted in of the articles as saying "tony now knows where he stands with nascar . . . i bet he does . . . shut up or don't drive!!! i'm really a dale jr. fan, but i would stand behind tony on this one!!
Posted by: richard delong | Apr 28, 2007 10:43:44 AM
Ron,
Just figured it out, you are a JPM fan. That explains alot.
The ? is whom will JPM take out this week?
Didnt notice him walking around yesterday or today with his head down upset, or tail between his legs.
The dictatorship of ISC, and NASCAR at its finest.
Posted by: Kurt2 | Apr 28, 2007 9:38:27 AM
Cale, you really need to do some homework before you go shooting your fool mouth off, but then again, that would be an undermining of the whole 'freedom of speech' thing, wouldn't it?
NASCAR has been doing this kind of thing for a long, long time, but there was a time when NASCAR would listen to the drivers and fans and adjust the rules and the sport accordingly. That time expired when Brian France, Jr. came into controlof NASCAR, the machine.
Ever since the inception of 'The Chase', the sport has gone downhill. These so-called 'debris cautions' have been a contentious part of the sport for the past few years, especially. Tony Stewart is not the first driver to call NASC AR on staging debris cautions at opportune times in races. If memory serves, the most recent time involved Jeff Burton complaining about Robby Gordon throwing roll bar padding on the track to create one of these 'debris cautions'. NASCAR fined Gordon but still failed to address the problem.
Lastly, its seems pretty obvious from your comments that the real reason you're such a defender of the faith, so to speak, is because of your holdings in ISC stock, rather than your love for the sport. By the way, ISC is currently being sued by at least three other entities as they continue to try to swallow up race tracks and build their racing empire. It will be interesting to see if they are forced to sell off eight race tracks and dissolve their current agreement with NASCAR. If I were you, I would keep my eye on the market in the near future.
Posted by: Rapid Roy | Apr 28, 2007 9:12:10 AM
If you Boycott a race...doing so at New Hampshire wouldn't hurt ISC/NASCAR/France Family mafia...doing at one of there tracks might drive the point home. I have read on several occassions of attempting this, I already boycott any ISC track BUT getting enough fans to participate would be enormous, and often planned a tear or more in advance...and you can't buy the tickets and not go, NASCAR/ISC wouldn't care...they now have you money...so you would have to thwart off ticket sales to a paticular event
Posted by: Fan #5 | Apr 28, 2007 7:46:55 AM
Hey Tony!
Do you have a problem with drivers themselves creating cautions?
And how about when you horned in on Jeff and Jimmie's pre-race interview last week...I thought you were hiding from the media.
Posted by: Woody | Apr 28, 2007 7:11:45 AM
Kurt2,
If that wasn't a guy with his tail between his legs what on earth would you call it? I am so looking forward to the races at Sonoma & Watkins Glen with Gordon on his game, Juan Pablo Montoya in his element and Tony having his ususal melt down. The day is coming when, after the race, Stewart just drives the 20 car all the way home crying.
As Tony says in the Subway commercials, "More meat!" Now that's funny coming from him.
Posted by: ron | Apr 28, 2007 12:13:06 AM
Let me get this straight, Is Tony Stewart actually admitting that the races and champioships he won were fixed? How come he didn't complain then?
Posted by: Jerry | Apr 27, 2007 11:12:20 PM
Cale,
Agree on most, no a ton in the garage arent "cool witht he caution "issue, Know what you mean on Daytona totally.
Ron,
He did in fact backpeddle. Could he quit? Lets think yes.He can afford to. I do not work for the 20 team, but know many on there well. I will leave it short and state point blank Tony doesnt run "with his tail between his legs". To be PC , this isnt over
Posted by: Kurt2 | Apr 27, 2007 9:50:58 PM
If you're going to boycott a race, make it a race held at an ISC track
Posted by: Smoke Fan | Apr 27, 2007 9:20:00 PM
Excellent idea...iam in!!
What ALL fan's should do is have a boycott of a race,say the July race at New Hampshire and not attend or watch on T.V
With the power of the internet why not, we still have 35 races, who cares about some rave in NH. Sorry NH but you gotta burn a bridge some time.
Posted by: Aggie | Apr 27, 2007 9:07:04 PM
So NA$CAR is upset that Tony Stewart spoke the truth about how NA$CAR is akin to the WWE. the truth hurt's don't it Brian. With moron's like you and Mikey Waltrip in the headlines,no wonder all of us fans are getting fed up.Well we are now totally fed up with out question. What ALL fan's should do is have a boycott of a race,say the July race at New Hampshire and not attend or watch on T.V..Let them know that we as fans deserve to have a say seeing how if it wasn't for us they would not have anything but a dog and pony show that none would pay to see.At the rate it's going ,it ain't gonna be long.
Posted by: Lanks | Apr 27, 2007 8:44:11 PM
Folks, you're missing an impoortant point. Tony wasn't penalized for the comments he made. He was penalized for not abiding by the terms set forth on the entry form, which states that the top three finishers must meet with the media following the race. If that wasn't the case, they would have hit him with the old "Actions detrimental to NASCAR". It seems like NASCAR is out to get him. Wasn't he the first driver to have an entire car fail inspection and taken away? Yes, he is his own worst enemy at times, but he speaks from the heart. NONE of the other drivers stepped up to support him. No, I don't think NASCAR is like the WWE, but these debris cautions do come at some strange times. In the old days, there were some races won by a driver who lapped the entire field. I don't see that happening today. In closing, I think it's safe to warn the other drivers that Tony is annoyed. And when he's annoyed, he's tough to beat. Face it, that's why he's driving race cars, and not running for president. By the way, he'd get my vote.
Posted by: Smoke Fan | Apr 27, 2007 8:35:48 PM
I believe Tony probably would have stood his ground if by doing so would affect only him personally. He looked around at all the people on the 20 team, and knew he couldn't put their livelihoods in jeopardy. Lots of families there who need their salaries for the race.
BTW, anyone want to join my "phantom debris" pool this week. Just pick a lap in the final 20. I sent an invitation to Helton, but so far, no reply.
Posted by: KENT | Apr 27, 2007 7:47:06 PM
Cale,
There are rules in place in every professional sport except NASCAR that covers what would happen in the case of Peyton Manning in your scenario. NASCAR doesn't have a rule directly covering what Tony said. They used the actions detrimental to auto racing. How exactly is calling NASCAR out on their bs debris cautions detrimental to auto racing? First they forced him to take it all back or refuse the team the ability to race and then fine him anyways. That is beyond outrageous, but you are obviously a Tony hater so that overrides anything NASCAR does wrong.
Posted by: Jon | Apr 27, 2007 7:30:10 PM
I believe Tony is half right. How many times have we seen a piece of roll bar padding, a drink bottle, an invisible piece of trash when the race is boring. Someone needs to do the figures of debris cautions for the same time frame last year. The fix might not be in, but NASCAR is indeed trying to make the races interesting like wrestling. I as so sick of hearing from the top brass as NASCAR that safety is the most improtant thing that they do. It wasn't until Dale was killed that they got off the dime and did something. It takes people like Tony and Jeff Burton to bring these things to light. I will be very suprised that Tony doesn't get penalized for a loose tire (the officials will be told not to stop a loose wheel)speeding on pit road, etc. just for retribution from NASCAR. They are deathly afraid that the man will reveal the truth about the sport!
Posted by: Jon Fast | Apr 27, 2007 7:21:32 PM
CaliCarl, It is you who needs to get real. You claim Tony's statements were what he was hearing from the fans. He finished second Sunday and split without allowing an interview. When was he hearing from the fans after the race? Were they calling in on his radio? Say Gordon can't pass Stewart for the win, do you really think Tony splits on the post race interview if he wins? Wise up. The Great Tony Stewart got beat by Jeff Gordon and he could never admit that to himself and then be asked questions on how he wasn't able to hold Gordon off. He had to blame somebody or something. I bet he starts picking on his crew next. They can't fight back.
M.B, You might be giving Tony a little bit more credit for his apology than he deserves. His car was in the hauler, his crew was standing around with their hands in their pockets and he had to say something so it sure as h--- wasn't going to be, "FU Nascar".
I love this stuff! There is nobody worse for Tony Stewart than the man himself. He is in a class by himself when it comes to making himself look like a boob.
Posted by: ron | Apr 27, 2007 7:17:52 PM
And once again Nascar wins this round, we've been talking about it ALL week; so has ESPN,FOX,CNN......
Posted by: Alltel_fan | Apr 27, 2007 6:40:40 PM
They dinged Tony for not attending the media session. LOL I read it, but where did it go? Mr. Hunter's statement that there was no rule saying Tony had to attend the media session. Now they are saying it's on the entry form. BS
Did that get blizzed or am I not seeing it?
Cale, Ron and Jeff get real. Most of Tony's statements were actually stated as what he was hearing from the fans.
WWE, hell we (all my roudy friends) have been saying that for a long time. And the same thing goes for the Phanton Debris Cautions.
Don't be surprised if one debris looks like the next in the furture. In all rights they should mark these as file photos. LOL it's coming.
Posted by: CalifCarl | Apr 27, 2007 6:23:40 PM
Kurt2, I realize they are a spin control machine, just like any other publicly traded company.
I realize that he did speak his mind. No one took away his right to free speech. He said it. But you can't say anything you want to anyone else and expect no rebuttal or consequence for what you say.
Of course there's been questionable cautions, questionable everything. Hell, they couldn't figure out who won the first Daytona 500 for two days. Hey, how about that "questionable" restrictor plate that NASCAR supposedly gave Junior for the 2001 Pepsi 400?
But, hey, who am I. Tony said the sport is fixed and everyone's cool with that. Of course, it won't be fixed the next time he wins...
Posted by: cale | Apr 27, 2007 5:49:14 PM
Why can people trash our government, our president, our religions, yet tony says something that most of us have been thinking for quite some time, and he's called in AND fined. Nascar is not a dictatorship and if Mr. Helton can't get with the program, maybe he needs to be gone
Posted by: laurie | Apr 27, 2007 5:38:19 PM
Isn't it strange how those who hailed Tony as a hero a few days ago are now willing to say that he's a sniveling coward who is willing to lie so that he can keep his job?
People Tony knows and trusts convinced him that he was wrong. He had the guts and maturity to admit that on camera -- knowing that the admission wouldn't be as popular as the original statements.
I've been criticizing Tony for his childish sulking all week. Today I say, Good Job, Tony. I knew you had it in you to do better if you tried.
Posted by: M. B. Voelker | Apr 27, 2007 5:38:06 PM
I really think it was the WWE analogy that was the clincher. They all complain about cautions and speeding tickets to a degree but that WWE comment was over the top. It turned what he said into a circus so even if he had a point, all they could see was WWE. That was dumb, in my opinion. I don't think for a minute that NASCAR isn't a dictatorship of the worst degree at times, but the WWE comparison is dumb.
Posted by: Karrie | Apr 27, 2007 5:37:15 PM
I'm totally appalled at the amount of money they fined him.
And probation? Come on.
All they had to do was show the 2004 Talladega clip, excuse me if I cannot remember if it was the Spring or Fall race, of Tony demolishing Terry Labonte's car on the cool down lap. They could have showed it Sunday before the race. Now that was priceless.
I can't recall if he won that race, can you?
Posted by: Woody | Apr 27, 2007 5:35:31 PM
Nascar may not be able to 'fix' races, but they certainly can manipulate circumstances to manufacture a 'better show'. When it has gotten to the point that I, sitting on my couch, can predict 'debris cautions' within 10 laps, that should tell you something. Nascar paraded Tony out for damage control, citing their concern for 'safety' as the reason for the cautions....guess that's why it was OK for the #7 car to cross the fnish line at Daytona upside down and on fire with no caution? Heck, it made for a great 'show'! Yeah, I believe the fine was for not showing up in the media center.
Posted by: SallyB | Apr 27, 2007 5:29:56 PM
I am afraid now. I agree with Daly again. :)
Cale, ISC and NASCAR are a sping control machine. Not sure where you dont see that clearly?
Its known out here and cant fathom the Cale and Ron comments.
ALL DRIVERS are in fact independent contractors period. Tony was on his own radio show, spoke his mind.Thats allowed in the US by the way.
With NASCAR controlling them,but them being independent contractors, why do they not have a pension fund? Hell none of us do.
I assume you dont think there are any questionable cautions and Red Farmer is racing this week?
Posted by: Kurt2 | Apr 27, 2007 5:22:46 PM
Eric, Tony says he's a big fan of your movies. I'm not sure what this means but he said he really likes the ones you made with the donkey.
Posted by: ron | Apr 27, 2007 5:10:13 PM
Besides, I'd like anyone to sit and tell me with a straight face that had Stewart won that race on Saturday he still would have said what he said on Monday. He can make plenty of comments about the sport being fixed, but he seems to have a problem when he gets "smoked," CLEAN.
Posted by: cale | Apr 27, 2007 5:08:54 PM
Ron , get hit by a tour bus and die....
Also , Stewart should just forget na$$$car and start his own series , a mixture of dirt tracks and asphalt , with all tracks being under 1.5 miles .
Posted by: Eric | Apr 27, 2007 5:01:19 PM
Wow, Ron. What do you really think?
Posted by: Kurt Smith | Apr 27, 2007 4:56:16 PM
Fair enough Mike, but Polian didn't go to the Rules Committee and accuse them of fixing games, did he?
What is it that everyone wants? Mike Helton to go to the podium and say, "Well, folks, the truth is, we've been fixing races for years. We fixed em' all, even the ones Earnhardt won! We thank you for your continued support and we'll see you at the track!"
By the way, ISC closed today at $50.30 a share.
I say "find something else to watch," Mike, because we just had a really cool moment following one hell of a final 20 laps on Saturday night and one of the biggest drivers in the entire sport of auto racing calls it all unfair because it's all fixed. It just sounds like there's alot more people ultimately interested in NASCAR's demise than they are its success.
I'm not saying NASCAR hasn't made its share of mistakes. It has. HUGE ones. However, TONY STEWART SAID THAT THE SPORT IS FIXED! If you support Tony Stewart than you must agree that the sport is fixed, no?
Posted by: cale | Apr 27, 2007 4:47:01 PM
Also had to laugh at that Jim Hunter's comments to Krista when she interviewed him, words to the effect that "we encourage our drivers to speak out" ("our" drivers, like they're owned by little boy France)--I thought, yeah, you encourage it, as long as they say what YOU want them to say. If you think Tony's not being fined and put on probation for what he said and not just for not doing the media after the race, you're nuts.
Posted by: SneakyPete | Apr 27, 2007 4:46:17 PM
I love this guy! Hey Tony, How's that relaxing week fishing in Alabama goin'? The fever excuse was the best. Why not just claim the dog ate your homework, err, brain.
Hey all you dumb asses out there, listen up and get it straight; this is Nascar's version of "Its our ball, our bat, our gloves and our field and if you don't like it go back to watching gay porn in your mother's basement back in Rushville." You're G-- Da--ed right Stewart said what Nascar told him he was supposed to say. It probably took him that hour with Nascar to memorize his lines. What did anyone think Stewart would do? Retire? Quit? This was his big chance to follow through on his threats. But no, he groveled like the pig that he is. No balls at all on this guy. He only has nerve when he's sneaking up from behind or talking crap when there isn't anyone to argue the point. The only surprise to me is that this happened as quickly as it did. Tony Stewart looks good with his tail tucked between his legs and that should make all you Tony groupies out there happy because it might make him a little faster. Tony Stewart can drive and that's what he should do. STFU and drive. Well...looks like he can eat a bit too.
Posted by: ron | Apr 27, 2007 4:44:51 PM
Totally damage control by NASCAR, no argument there. Was just watching the SPEED coverage of practice and DW said, let them display illegal parts that are confiscated from teams, show the debris that causes these flags, etc.--well, ol' DW, how about NASCAR finally letting us know what that substance was in your brother's engine at Daytona? If you're going to call for disclosure of this stuff, then disclose ALL of it. And I hate to see Smoke back down at all from his comments--still think the guy's dead on right.
Posted by: SneakyPete | Apr 27, 2007 4:42:07 PM
Did you notice that NASCAR did nothing to respond to the issue that's been brought to light? They haven't said a word justifying the debris cautions. The response was only to tell Tony to apologize and shut up.
Posted by: Kurt Smith | Apr 27, 2007 4:40:27 PM
Charles...agree on most points. I think the reason we don't get to see the debris sometimes is because fans will say "they threw a caution for THAT?" I continue to watch because the fantasy league I'm in brings friends and family together, but it gets difficult.
But let me just say this. Fox has gotten a bit better with the coverage. Still not great, but better. At least there's less of the BS on the screen while they're racing.
Posted by: Kurt Smith | Apr 27, 2007 4:37:40 PM
At least Tony had the nads to tell the truth. We all see it happening. Dale Sr used to keep Nascar's butt straight but now Nascar is beating the driver's into submission. If what Nascar told Tony to say today is true, then let the camera's pan onto the debris before it is removed from the track. As far as why we continue to watch, I don't unless it's raining outside or bad weather. The first races don't amount to crap anyway now that we have "the chase". Nascar is there own worst enemy. Nascar cannot figure out why the TV ratings are falling. Look in the mirror Mike Helton and Robin Pemerton.
Posted by: Charles | Apr 27, 2007 4:29:54 PM
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think Kathy is right on point. Tony is never this repentant when he wrecks someone, that's part of why he's so unpopular.
Posted by: Kurt Smith | Apr 27, 2007 4:29:53 PM
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