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June 08, 2007
Busch fined and docked points for Dover pit road incident
NASCAR handed down the penalty on Friday morning for Kurt Busch. He is being docked 100 driver points, fined $100,000 and put on probation until Dec. 3rd. Penske was also docked 100 owner points.
"I regret the incident that occurred at Dover and apologize to NASCAR, my sponsors, the fans, my Penske Racing team and Joe Gibbs Racing. I understand that safety is crucial to the sport and I accept the points penalty, fine and probation that NASCAR has imposed on me."
The lose of points drops Busch from 11th in the standings to 18th, tied with Bobby Labonte.
The only question I have is why it took them until Friday to hand down the penalty? Why not when they normally hand down the penalties for the race weekend?
Your thoughts? Fair penalty or not?
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What a come back, I have been watching and following NASCAR for more than 20 years, my first race I saw in person was at MIS in 1979. No matter how many times you can claim Tony did it, it doesn't justify what Kurt Busch did and NASCAR at least somewhat punished him.
Posted by: Jon | Jun 11, 2007 8:36:40 PM
Jon, just start watching this year? First Busch never hit Smoke's car. Second Stewart has rammed Jeff Gordon and several others on pit road, spun em out, with crews scattering everywhere, grab a brain and get in the game. And I have met Tony Stewart and he's a good guy.
Cheers
Posted by: Massracin | Jun 10, 2007 8:10:22 PM
Dear Aggie sorry I hit a nerve, I may have a snake but seeing as how you have tried to bulldog I,ll never let you see it! The man has spoke must fall in line! As a peace token I will leave a gift a pair of oversized ear muffs at Gregs in Mooresville.
Posted by: jake | Jun 10, 2007 8:00:13 PM
Bobby,
I second that, one more feather in their crap cap. Pretty sad when they waited until Newman is about to make the pass on Gordon fopr the lead to throw the caution and yet they lety Jimmie Johnson ride around the track putting debris down on the track never call a caution.
Posted by: Jon | Jun 10, 2007 7:27:25 PM
they should dock nascar for this bs race at pa
Posted by: bobby | Jun 10, 2007 7:17:54 PM
Massracin,
What worse things have Tony done on pit road than run into the side of another car with that drivers pit crew member right in front of the car? You are obviously one of those Tony Stewart bashers.
Posted by: Jon | Jun 10, 2007 4:09:06 PM
Hi Dan, Smoke has done far worse things on pit row than Busch has. Did he get suspended for those actions, no. Dry up!
Posted by: massracin | Jun 10, 2007 11:25:33 AM
Busch should have been suspended for at least three weeks. It was luck that hit didn't HIT the crewman. If NASCAR was serious about safety (which this signals they aren't), then a heavy penalty should have been handed down. Remember stupid and reckless is in Kurt Busch's behavior and this is NOT a wake up call. He can STILL make the chase with a 100 point penalty, Martin has missed I think 3 races and he is still in, Gordon might miss 1 and still get in. A way for Busch to miss the chase might get some of these crybabies' attention. Now do we think there would have been a suspension if Smoke would have done the same to Busch...he'd be buried under Pocono. The double standard continues...
Posted by: Dan | Jun 10, 2007 10:46:10 AM
Damned can't step away from here for long.
K2 if I remember I'll let you know, but he was the engineer who sat on the box, or so he said.
Sorry dude, I just don't like Kurt, I almost did at the All-Star but then he showed what I preceive him to be. I don't know him, want ever meet him and all I got to go on is what I see on the TV.
I meet Sr when I was in the Marines and was impessed. I meet Morgan Shepherd in the mid-90s and he was cool. Meet a bunch of Pontiac guys then too.
But really I wouldn't go out of my way to meet any of them now. Honestly as a old blue collar worker from the south, NASCASH really doesn't want fans like me any more, they want the new preppy fan. I used to never miss a lap of a race, but haven't seen a whole one in two years or better.
Oh well best of luck for whoever you work for and watch the cars, you might be the one jumping on the hood the next time
Posted by: Tony | Jun 9, 2007 10:59:30 PM
Jake the snake
Reported for work at 7.
Then what passed out lol
Posted by: aggie | Jun 9, 2007 6:59:38 PM
Hey aggie buick down south is a nice word for PUKE I had 10 or 12 but didnot PUKE in a trash can. Reported for work at 7.
Posted by: jake | Jun 9, 2007 6:23:06 PM
Jake how many beers did you have??
How many beers does it take for Kurt to buick into a trash can at Vegas bar?
puke you mean??
Posted by: aggie | Jun 9, 2007 5:49:57 PM
Like Jack Roush said when asked about the Kurt thing last week, "He's Penske's problem now..."
Posted by: Jon2 | Jun 9, 2007 5:44:08 PM
Kathy, I know I was wrong he got fired as the Director of Cheating at MWR. Come on I’am only joking, NO NONE in NASCAR would move over to MWR. That would be like going to a rich AA team, its still a AA team.
Read between the lines/posts, K2 is on a top tier chebee team and probably, very very good at what he does as are most of the guys on top tier teams. Or, as that guy said last month, K2 is some guy in a #5 t shirt eating cheetos and sucking on a slurpeee laughing at the rumors on here and p-ing himself laughing !! I'll try and hunt him down in KC ok. We are going to look for a guy wearing; Visa shorts, in a Bud hot tub, with 3 bud babes and a laptop……and drinking his BUD from dented up cans and waving a new Visa Jr banner.
Posted by: aggie | Jun 9, 2007 5:43:38 PM
Aggie,
Where did you get the idea he works for MWR? He's not going to tell you who he works for. He just gives us all insight from inside the sport along with his opinion.
Posted by: Kathy | Jun 9, 2007 4:48:49 PM
KURT ALL OF THESE REDNECK PEOPLE THAT HATES YOU THAT YOU WILL COMPARE PAY CHECKS WITH THEM.ALL OF THEM DONT EVEN HAVE A LIFE AND THATS IS WORSE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.JIMMY SPENCER, DOES YOUR DADDY HAVE ANYMORE STOLEN TIRES FOR SALE.HOW MANY TIMES HAS PUDGY STEWART BEEN FIND FOR HIS DRIVING, NONE, NASCAR HAS THERE GM PETS.
Posted by: bob | Jun 9, 2007 4:40:13 PM
I REALLY FEEL THAT BUSH SHOULD HAVE BEEN PARKED FOR AT LEAST 1 RACE. PARKING HIM DIDN'T HURT HIM HE WOULD HAVE FINISHED NO BETTER THAN 40TH PLACE WITH A WRECKED CAR.OTHER DRIVERS HAVE HAD THE SAME PENALITLY FOR THINGS THAT CERTAINLY DIDN'T ENDAGER SOMEONES LIFE. I HAVE LOST ALL RESPECT FOR NASCAR.
Posted by: marty | Jun 9, 2007 4:31:23 PM
Kurt2 GIVE EM HELL...everyone "Thinks" they can pit a race car, ....I mean it LOOKS easy...LOL, I say put them in harms way and see how many shorts get soiled, Good Luck!
Posted by: Fan #5 | Jun 9, 2007 3:52:13 PM
K2 You seem to know almost everthing about Nascar. Is there any truth to the rumor that Dale JR may be going to MWR so he will not have to race on Sundays anymore?
Posted by: jake | Jun 9, 2007 12:53:28 PM
How many beers does it take for Kurt to buick into a trash can at Vegas bar?
Posted by: jake | Jun 9, 2007 11:55:26 AM
K2, cant for wait for your UNBIASED; Chevrolet/COT/Goodyear/Kathy’s pit stop blog sponsored posts on this weekend’s races and I hear yah.
“I dont let anyone know who I am.”
I wouldn’t either if I did triple duty at MWR as; a pit crew member ( where most Sundays you get to sit around), Director of Cheating plus Rule Book Interpreter and thank god you still have time for us NASCAR arm chair team owners!!
Posted by: aggie | Jun 9, 2007 10:58:42 AM
Smoke
rename it the "William France Cup"
That would be the classy thing to do. Or tag it the Nextel William France Cup. That way they can still show a lil class and not total sell out artists!
I still think they should do like at Eldora, but put in 100g each of their cash and the winner takes it all!! Then do what ever they want with $$$. These guys all seem to be buying late models as toys now……….hmmmmmmmm Iam starting to think late models on dirt will be NASCAR’s version of the seniors tour with commissioner Tony at the helm. Be fun to watch.
Posted by: MassiveJrFAN | | Jun 9, 2007 10:44:06 AM
When you email fanfeedback@nascar.com, you get this:
From
Feedback, Fan
Dear NASCAR Fan,
NASCAR has great respect and appreciation for their fans around the world.
Because of the volume of letters we receive we are not able to reply to every one. However, each and every letter is important to us. Our staff personally reviews each correspondence and is then cataloged as to the nature of the comments.
NASCAR thanks you for taking the time from your busy schedule to write a letter and for your continued support of our sport.
Regards,
NASCAR
Posted by: JWSmoke | Jun 9, 2007 2:04:36 AM
I've only been a fan for 5 or 6 years and the changes have been incredible in that short span. Engines, shocks, gears, templates, then the COT.
Crap! It's IROC now. If only the rules were as consistent as IROC.
And, no YELLING at another driver or it's 100 points/$100,000. WAY too PC. Bunch of pussies. Ruin'd it for me.
Posted by: JWSmoke | Jun 9, 2007 2:00:03 AM
To fanfeedback@ascar.com
Title: Ruining the sport
With all the arbitrary rule changes, capriciously inconsistant penalties, slowest vehicle in the "premier" series...jeese, guys, just listen to the fans.
And rename it the "William France Cup" instead of changing the name everytime a new sponsor coughs up another billion $.
What's next the "Sprint Cup"? Or IROC Sprint Cup presented by NASCAR....
Posted by: JWSmoke | Jun 9, 2007 1:27:23 AM
Kurt Busch should have been suspended for a race plus the penalties he did receive. It's hard to believe that he won the first Chase. He just does stupid stuff and I am sure we haven't heard the last of Busch either. He sux...
Posted by: TonyFAN20 | Jun 9, 2007 12:01:51 AM
DA24JG and K2 back in your corners!! My turn. And K2 its DA24JG not DAG! Get those eyes checked, ok!
You're talking to a VP of an insurance company, ok pay attention now!! Didn’t we have a post like this from some other Dennis Rodman like #24 fan, calling all NASCAR fans Mor(m)ons? Why do all you 24-48 fans think they have a higher IQ and more teeth then 10 of JR’s fans???
Good thing these guys on pit lane wear knee pads and can bow down next time they see you DA24JG at race. Bring that rule book K2 is going to mail you and you 2 can review it together at the KC race while I drink the Bud.
I for one don’t care if you’re the VP of the USA and had 365 days off lol
As for the taking the day off……… I start at noon, quit at 1 everyday and take an hour for lunch, most days come in at 11:45, 15 minutes early to type these posts!! Plus any day that ends in Y, I take off . Before this new work schedule I used to just work only the months the ended in Y.
Posted by: aggie | Jun 8, 2007 10:43:41 PM
DAG
Please note, I can talk freely in here. I dont diviluge all known here. I am like you I guess express my opinion as well.
Please note while I am a professional on pit road for years,I dont let anyone know who I am.
While I respect you worked your way up to VP, I worked my way up as well.
Posted by: Kurt2 | Jun 8, 2007 9:53:47 PM
K2-OH No don’t do that!! I enjoy your posts and like i said, like you or hate you, how many sports can fans like us get the insight you give us on here. All the rule book shit isn’t for me iam a race fan not a BS pit lane lawyer!! Like knowing a NASCAR rule book is going to change my life??NOT!!
Its like the NFL where i like seeing the line play as opposed to some idiot like TO. In NASCAR I have gained whole new appreciation for the guys behind the scenes and pit teams.
See yah at the KC race and bring all that bud u claimed you picked up from Jr's fans at Dega in April!!
Posted by: aggie | Jun 8, 2007 9:27:10 PM
K2,
As a professional pit crew member, I'm surprised you are as upset as you are with me?? I find it quite surprising to even find you talking freely as you are with me and everyone else, let alone, telling everyone you're a professional pit crew member?? I am yet to find anyone in here to ask you a ton of questions about your job and what it's like to work with a professional driver etc. etc. etc.???
Posted by: DA24JG | Jun 8, 2007 9:11:24 PM
OK Aggie. I will bit my tongue from now on
Posted by: Kurt2 | Jun 8, 2007 9:10:23 PM
K2 yes we are all human but iam sure you must question that some days from what you read on here lol. We all might want to rethink before we type, no way!! What fun would that be then?? We all lie well a little, not like that BIG liar from Visa! Didn’t you tell me not believe anything on the net !!
K2 its like a mental sparring session for you on here with us fans, you get the prima donnas in NASCAR and then get us Roads Scholars on here! Your in heaven, its like the Pros and Joes for you lol.
K2 you should have that car-team numbered and called "666 demon seed”
Posted by: aggie | Jun 8, 2007 9:06:12 PM
OK DAG,
Glad you are a VP. But before you call someone out my friend, think.
Glad you had a day off, hope it went well.
But dont even try that , I have offered the rule book to you but got no response? Since u r a die hard one, the offer stands
Posted by: Kurt2 | Jun 8, 2007 8:57:20 PM
K2,
You're talking to a VP of an insurance company my good NASCAR 'pit road' friend! My apologies if I decide to take a day off from work. I enjoy racing and had the opportunity to meet Jeff Gordon. Anything else???
Posted by: DA24JG | Jun 8, 2007 8:52:30 PM
Not looking for entertaining DAG, at all.
I walk and work it each week, thank you.Do it then bitch and attempt to call one out.
I bet you did feel the punishment fit the action with Jeff and Matt. Should I be shocked? UH no.
You are a fan of one of the golden ones, I just worked for the one that was the "demon seed "this week and happen to know what I do.
Sit in your chair at home all you would like and preach.Till you are here week in and week out, observe.
Posted by: Kurt2 | Jun 8, 2007 8:44:10 PM
OK K2, I'll entertain you....
Yes, I was surprised, upset and embarrased with Jeff's actions that day. In regards to the personal physical contact with Kennseth is concerned, I honestly feel the probation fit that specific action. Anything else K2???
Posted by: DA24JG | Jun 8, 2007 8:24:13 PM
DoDa..DoDa...........No kidding
Sounds like the WWE to me. Make it up as you go.
Not matter what happens those same letters WWE come up when this shit happens in NASCAR. Thank the 20 for that! But iam sure in the WWE, Mr. McMahon keeps the fines, *wink* right??
Posted by: aggie | Jun 8, 2007 8:19:17 PM
DA24JG,
You have to be kidding. Please. I sit every week as you sit behinf your computer. Please feel free to call me out on the rule book, Need a copy. backchannel me for mailing.
You have to be kidding, the rule book is in fact what it is. Please reread,the prior posts from everyone. The fines are dished by CUP, and interpeted per violation....
I know this is a shock, but please note Section 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing -- reckless driving; endangering a crew member on pit road)
Next?
I am wondering should your driver that did something on Pit Road be sat? He placed his hands on another driver?
Posted by: Kurt2 | Jun 8, 2007 8:10:28 PM
K2 what you said about KB is probably true:
Kurt B. is a good guy, a nice one as well.
I am not going to get into a pissing match about this yahoo Ok, and congrats on the ring.
You know what they say, “you can’t consistently behave in away which you truly are NOT !! “ I believe you about the guy but man he simply comes across as an,
A_S H__L_ !!! wanna buy a letter and some vowels??
Posted by: aggie | Jun 8, 2007 8:02:29 PM
Thank you Kathy! ;-) Much appreciated! However, this too is very disturbing and the fines given out is useless and does nothing to change anyone driver's behavior. As I said, a strong suspension, FOR ALL DRIVERS, is the best way to get any kind of results....hopefully...
Posted by: DA24JG | Jun 8, 2007 7:58:07 PM
DA24JG,
The fines do go into the point fund and then it is distributed among the drivers at the end of the season. So yes, he can get some of it back, not sure what the payouts are though.
Posted by: Kathy | Jun 8, 2007 7:51:18 PM
K2,
I don't believe you work on pit road nor does this mean you know everything....and the rule book thing?? OK, K2, Please school us all and read out of your rule book the exact ruling word for word in regards to the fines and whether or not the driver's get their fines back??? (hmmmmm, we're all waiting K2) And as for Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson or Dale Jr., they too should be suspended for their actions as well!! Damn right!! (surprised K2?? Mr. pit road guy??)
Posted by: DA24JG | Jun 8, 2007 7:50:21 PM
Evidently , since I have a rule book and work on pit road DA24JG. I must be lost..
Kat, can we please let this one know where fine money goes?
I see, so let remember Jeff pushing Matt on pit road. Clicking yet? Was pitting to that, it happened on pit road... so let see, Jeff crossed the line so he should sit as well?
Posted by: Kurt2 | Jun 8, 2007 7:40:14 PM
K2,
No conspiracy! Simply informing that D. Waltrip said 'eventually' the driver's will get ALL their fines back!! Not very hard to understand. Kathy MAY be able to find out if what D. Waltrip said was true or false. If true, it is DAMN disturbing and NASCAR can then forget about telling us ANYTHING about fines because it's only the suspensions that would get the driver's attention!......Get what I'm saying K2???
Posted by: DA24JG | Jun 8, 2007 7:32:56 PM
Tony,
Dont rack your brain, you think of it let me know.
Sorry must say the Elf thing isnt humorous though.
Posted by: Kurt2 | Jun 8, 2007 7:17:15 PM
DA24JG,
Please see Tonys post above, they go to the point fund. Not sure where the conspiracy is on the point fund is going with you here.
Odd, what should Kat, get a hold of? You in fact lost me there
Posted by: Kurt2 | Jun 8, 2007 7:15:30 PM
Kurt2,
Regarding my previous post, D.Waltrip did say that the driver's DO eventually get their fine money back! That is the disturbing part! I hope Kathy can get a copy of that program and see and hear it for herself. If what D.Waltrip said is true??? You know the rest of the story.....
Posted by: DA24JG | Jun 8, 2007 6:54:18 PM
K2,
wish I could remember the name of the engineer from that season that I used to online race with.
The fines go into the point fund and at the end of the year the point fund is paid out. Elf might get some of it back, but not all of it.
Posted by: Tony | Jun 8, 2007 6:49:15 PM
Keith12,
You nailed it , because it is Kurt he should be parked, shot and hung. Unfreaking real.
DA24JG,
All fine $ goes to the point fund was waht he meant.
Too funny this and the last post took off as it did.I will finally say this.
Kurt B. is a good guy, a nice one as well. Have a ring from that season, with Jimmy F etc.I moved on to another team when he left, not because of him.
He isnt a maniac, nor a nut. Ass etc. Sorry folks. He did as we all do, make an error on pit road. Not sure what most of you were seeing, it was back and forth passing and KURT gave him room. When he moved up did he cut it to close..YES he did. Did Tony know where the brake was, UH NO, stayed in it the whole time.
Hell after seeing him and talking to him today. The media and ANTI Kurt fans.. Need to accept a error in judgement.Damn the kid was sorry and realized.
To the poster who said he treats his crew like crap. PLEASE refer to OVER THE WALL blog, wiht that.
All the Golden boys are exactly peaches either on the radio. They all bitch and complain people.
We are all human. We all might want to rethink before we type.
Posted by: Kurt2 | Jun 8, 2007 6:40:22 PM
Hi Kathy, ;-)
Some time back in May of this year, I watched an outdoor barbeque party on the Speed Channel Larry Reynolds was hosting at his house and Darrell Waltrip mentioned in a conversation, in the last part of the show, Darrell said that all fines go into a 'pool' and eventually the driver's get it all back through installments!! What a joke!! Kathy, is there any way you could check on this and somehow get a copy of that show from Speed Channel through your connections?? It would be very, very interesting to hear what you find out! I kid you not!! This came right out of Darrell Waltrips mouth! Very disturbing! Hope you can get the goods on this information.....
Posted by: DA24JG | Jun 8, 2007 6:27:27 PM
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