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March 01, 2008
Gordon's appeal set for March 5 - Could his NASCAR teams future be riding on this appeal?
Robby Gordon gets his appeal heard by NASCAR on March 5th and it seems like he has a lot more riding on it than the 100 point penalty, $100,000 fine and his crew chiefs 6 week suspension. According to Gordon, who has most of the season set as far as funding, it's the perception of cheating, being labeled as a cheater by NASCAR for something he, nor his team did. He doesn't have a sponsor for next weeks Atlanta race and if he loses the appeal, he fears that it will be next to impossible to secure a sponsor since he and his team will be labeled as "cheaters" no matter how it happened.
He is actually considering doing double duty at Indy if this sticks and he's not close to being in contention for the Chase. While many may think he is overreacting, that label and 100 point fine really does hurt a team, just ask Dale Earnhardt Jr. about last year and his fine, it puts you behind the eight ball so to speak and for Gordon, it wasn't of his or his teams doing, it was a manufacturers mistake.
The little guys like Gordon, that are single car/owner teams or even small teams have a hard enough time competing against the mega-teams of NASCAR, but this kind of thing doesn't help. Could this make Gordon give up NASCAR altogether? Make him just say screw it and screw you to NASCAR? Maybe, according to this quote by Gordon...
"If this sticks, I don't know what our plan will be. I'll be honest with you -- I think open wheel got back together last week and I know I can drive one of those cars."
With the recent influx of open-wheel guys coming to NASCAR, do they really want one of their own going to open-wheel? I wouldn't think so, but going by that quote, it could happen. Gordon has always taken his lumps and moved on, from his numerous penalties from NASCAR, mostly about his behavior, but they're standing up to NASCAR this time.
It seems that intent doesn't mean anything anymore to NASCAR, Gordon gets nailed hard with something that wasn't their fault and could end up leaving the sport because of it, yet year after year offenders like Knaus get praised for their working in the gray areas. It's just not fair, to the teams or fans. It'll be interesting what penalties, if any, come down on the #88, #48 and #17 for their inspection problems on Friday, I guess we'll see how "fair" NASCAR can and will be.
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Isnt the penalties imposed on Carl Edwards a little stiff for the oil cap being off? Wouldnt this be a possible disadvantage instead of an advantage? Sincerely,Joshua Baysinger
Posted by: Joshua | Mar 6, 2008 8:29:31 PM
DJ - "Marc...I love you.....Last words.Come to Charlotte,better yet Darlington.I'll be waiting......Admit it dude...You got bored cause Fatboy had 2 crappy articles in a row in your mind that didn't allow you to do your usual crap.So you came over to the real people and actual guys on the inside,better than Buffet boy."
Pulling a Kreskin act now and claim to know what's in my mind?
You outta take your show on the road and make some cash like that shyster and scam artist does.
Posted by: marc | Mar 3, 2008 12:55:09 PM
Marc...I love you.....Last words.Come to Charlotte,better yet Darlington.I'll be waiting......Admit it dude...You got bored cause Fatboy had 2 crappy articles in a row in your mind that didn't allow you to do your usual crap.So you came over to the real people and actual guys on the inside,better than Buffet boy.
Just go away..........
Posted by: DJ | Mar 2, 2008 9:00:26 PM
"With the recent influx of open-wheel guys coming to NASCAR, do they really want one of their own going to open-wheel?"
If by saying that statement the implication that Robby is a "tried and true" NASCAR original, that is simply not true.
Uh...Robby Gordon had 109 starts in CART from 1992 to 1999. He's an open wheeler that went to NASCAR.
Posted by: Doug | Mar 2, 2008 4:18:00 PM
Jon -"I just wish you would stop coming here with your insults based on your own oinions acting like they are actual facts.">
And when was that, can you point to and quote an instance of that happening?
Come on help me out here, help me improve.
Posted by: marc | Mar 2, 2008 3:42:54 PM
Fan #5 - "Hmmmm for someome who has "boasted" of all the awards for HIS "Cranial Cavity"...He sure spends alot of time here?...run out of Ideas MArc?....Oh thats right,you only get like 7 responses...soooo"
Guess you didn't spend enough time looking Fan #5. (Unsurprising) As for your unrelated shot about "responses when has that been the criteria to judge a blog worthy of praise or condemnation?
Funny, you spend a lot of time here, yet if you had spent more than a little time you would have noticed Kathy has received the very same recognition (http://www.sportsmediachallenge.com/) my blog has received so that seems to indicate number of responses has little to do with a blogs influence or worth.
"soooo that must mean your a bit envious of Kathy's Pit Stop and others here at That's Racing. Maybe you could ask Bob Henry to add you to the blogs column.."
Could be but why add to her comment count if that's true?
As for Bob Henry, I can send you the correspondence between Bob and myself indicating when and why I turned down his offer to blog here far in advance of Kathy arriving on the scene.
It's unlikely you would care you only broach the subject as a cheap and unproductive and off target attempt to belittle mr.
Posted by: marc | Mar 2, 2008 3:37:54 PM
Kurt2 - I was wondering your thoughts on this:
The garage has a way of policing itself.
Such was the case after Carl Edwards' win at California Speedway last Monday, when teams noted that the No. 99's sheet metal around the wheel wells extended a bit beyond the norm, which would allow for additional side force.
As a result, NASCAR officials have warned teams not to get too creative with the areas around the tires, or there will be repercussions.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/7861094/The-Hot-Pass:-Front-splitter-causing-headaches
So what happened to don't mess with the body? How is this different than Fendergate and why no penalties?
Posted by: Kal | Mar 2, 2008 2:20:07 PM
marc,
I don't have an inside track to get anyone banned from this blog, Kathy makes that decision on her own. I just wish you would stop coming here with your insults based on your own oinions acting like they are actual facts.
Posted by: Jon | Mar 2, 2008 1:56:00 PM
I'm loving how the 17 is floating below the radar on this. All I see is HMS this, HMS that. Even when he has issues Kenseth floats below the radar. :)
Posted by: Kal | Mar 2, 2008 12:04:19 PM
9fanatic - from what I heard on TV they were minor body infractions. At least 2 of the cars missed some of the first practice because it took time to fix the problems. I would think that minor body infractions would be just as bad or maybe worse than what happened to Robby. Body infractions might have given the car an advantage. But NASCAR admitted the nose on Robby's car did not give him an advantage.
OK Marc. In case you are going to say "apple to oranges" let me beat you to it. I know the nose was a part that had yet to be approved but it appears the problems on the 88, 48 & 17 meant those cars also were not approved.
Posted by: Diane | Mar 2, 2008 11:58:23 AM
I still haven't seen on this blog EXACTLY what the teams did at Vegas..........if I have overlooked it then, that is one thing, but looks to me like nobody knows, except for 'minor infractions' Sheesh!
Posted by: 9fanatic | Mar 2, 2008 10:54:45 AM
So J2,
Should the 88, and 48 get hit with 100 points ,100 owners points and 100k this coming week , you wont be crying about it, or let me guess you will find a way to vindicate the 48 and 88??? Which one.
Not sure where you think "he blew 4.5 million", as he has done Dakar for years. he didnt blow it. the lovely towel heads kinda runined it for every team competing.
"Marc,
Are you the one whom doesnt reside in the US? serious ?"
and it makes a difference if true? If so, how so?"
It was a ? Marc, you have and seem to think you provide all anwsers so I asked...What your not sure where you are.
What is your deal, all you can do is insult others, know it all and ask people to "ban you".
You would be a great case to have a "EASY Button". If you dont follow sorry.
Robby is my hero? No Marc he isnt but he has alot more class than most. I guess when Flaco send the email tommorrow to NASCAR he had 10,000 dumbasses sign it? I think not, the issue is NASCAR becoming so much BS for many people to accept.
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 2, 2008 10:35:38 AM
Well if Robby hadn't blown from what I've heard was around 4.5million on the Dakar dune buggy rally debacle he might have the resources to motor on. Surprising he could raise that amount of resources for a race that few pay any attention to or care about.
I don't know of any recent "cheaters" who've lost their sponsorship. And this campaign to vindicate Robby will probably backfire as most of them do.
Every team whose committed a COT structural error and been caught has suffered significant penalties imposed by NASCAR and Robby's penalties should be upheld.
Posted by: Jon2 | Mar 2, 2008 9:52:12 AM
Hmmmm for someome who has "boasted" of all the awards for HIS "Cranial Cavity"...He sure spends alot of time here?...run out of Ideas MArc?....Oh thats right,you only get like 7 responses...soooo that must mean your a bit envious of Kathy's Pit Stop and others here at That's Racing. Maybe you could ask Bob Henry to add you to the blogs column...But I think Cranial Cavity would be a real misnomer, cause it's much lower than that. And save your clever repartee because it's all just "Mind over Matter" I don't mind and YOU don't matter
Posted by: Fan #5 | Mar 2, 2008 8:05:50 AM
A t-shit would actually be appropriate.
Posted by: Barb g | Mar 2, 2008 1:24:49 AM
I don't ever recall a sponsor making a public stand in support of their driver regarding NASCAR's penalties. I hope that fact alone may have a mitigating impact on any potential sponsorships for the #7 team. I also don't recall a manufacturer admitting fault for supplying a team with an unapproved part before Dodge did in this instance.
As for Beam adding additional race sponsorships they have always been a partial sponsor for Robby because that's how far their marketing dollars will go. It's no secret that Robby's approach from the beginning has been to bring in sponsors who did not have the ability to step up for a full season and otherwise would have no presence in the Cup series at all. Some Keyboard Cowboys seem to have the misconception that racing is a game rather than a business.
One Keyboard Cowboy had something to say about "playing with other peoples money". I'd like to hear the names of the team owners who don't.
This was John Darby's comment about the two different Dodge noses at Daytona following inspection,
"In the transformation from Avenger to Charger, Dodge is working on a replacement nose. There's no difference, really, in the nose, other than the decal outlines that complement the Charger more than the Avenger. But the nose has not finished due process yet, so they had to put one of the old noses back on the car."
So now we have this blurb from inspection at Vegas.
"The Cup cars of #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr., #48-Jimmie Johnson and #17-Matt Kenseth were forced to go through the inspection line twice after NASCAR officials found minor violations on their cars. NASCAR officials said the problems were not serious, but the crews of the #88 Chevy, the #48 Chevy and the #17 Ford were told to correct the problems and go back through the line. All three cars were on the track for the first practice session."
So, yeah Kathy. It certainly will be interesting to see what penalties are assessed on those teams. It will also be interesting to see what the commission will decide when the #7 team appeal is heard this week.
I have no clue what Robby will or won't do with either his NASCAR team or OW. I know I'd be majorly ticked to be labeled as a cheater for something I didn't do.
Posted by: Barb g | Mar 2, 2008 1:23:12 AM
Jon - "That is exactly what marc has been doing since Kathy started this blog, he comes here to act like a know it all and insult everyone that doesn't think like he does. He must have his dictionary handy so he can pull out the big words that he uses so he can seem highly educated.
You have the inside track to the author, have me banned.
But when you do I'd ask to ensure you review this thread and exactly where the childish nonsense started.
If not... Oh well, I've had pimples on my ass that have been bigger problems.
Posted by: marc | Mar 2, 2008 12:35:35 AM
Graceann,
That is exactly what marc has been doing since Kathy started this blog, he comes here to act like a know it all and insult everyone that doesn't think like he does. He must have his dictionary handy so he can pull out the big words that he uses so he can seem highly educated.
Posted by: Jon | Mar 2, 2008 12:26:55 AM
Kuet2 - "Marc,
Are you the one whom doesnt reside in the US? serious ?"
and it makes a difference if true? If so, how so?
"Now, if you come to LVMS and come right into the track you will in fact see a BIG ASS JIM BEAM display for Robby and support, so thats where they are."
Well golly gee, maybe it's because JB is on his hood this week. Let me know when they pony up the bucks off of t-shirt sale to place ot there in Atlanta.
"Also, my point did not relate at all to the $$$$ aspect or t shirts.. My ? to you minus money what did the HMS sponsors do when Chad cheats yearly? Did they even voice support? UM not a bit of it."
You didn't address my point. That is it's very possible the other sponsors don't think its a wise business decision to get involved on that side of NASCAR. Can you name one time other than JB in NASCAR's history that has gotten involved to the extent they have?
"if you think a petiton is scribbles and usless names you are way out ther my friend, way out there."
Whatever, in the NASCAR context they rail more than win.
"I think the just from most is yeah it is a free country but you do a fine job in Poole Land bitching at everyone. We were fine here.
Really quote an instance where I started something and it wasn't in direct response to some type of childish crack or direct insult.
"You are right Kathy controls this and no one is the hall monitor, if there was one your sorry ass wouldnt hit the front door."
Nothing stands between you and opportunity. You know how to contact her, file your complaint and lets see what happens.
go ahead sherlock, the balls in your court, get me banned.
"As you said to Deb, you are in no position to matter yourself, you wouldnt , couldnt nor have the guts or any other body parts to step up to the Cup level at all. you couldnt, because you would last 1.2 secs in the garage without pissing someone off."
Hey great... 'd be just your your apparent hero Robby Gordon!
Thanks! Thanks a lot. Can I get a t-shit made?
Posted by: marc | Mar 2, 2008 12:24:50 AM
Marc,
Are you the one whom doesnt reside in the US? serious ?
Now, if you come to LVMS and come right into the track you will in fact see a BIG ASS JIM BEAM display for Robby and support, so thats where they are.
Also, my point did not relate at all to the $$$$ aspect or t shirts.. My ? to you minus money what did the HMS sponsors do when Chad cheats yearly? Did they even voice support? UM not a bit of it.
if you think a petiton is scribbles and usless names you are way out ther my friend, way out there.
Poole left the track so hungry he was eating a Goodyear tire and had a " I LOVE MARC" t shirt on..
I think the just from most is yeah it is a free country but you do a fine job in Poole Land bitching at everyone. We were fine here.
You are right Kathy controls this and no one is the hall monitor, if there was one your sorry ass wouldnt hit the front door.
As you said to Deb, you are in no position to matter yourself, you wouldnt , couldnt nor have the guts or any other body parts to step up to the Cup level at all. you couldnt, because you would last 1.2 secs in the garage without pissing someone off.
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 2, 2008 12:02:28 AM
Marc...I love you man.....Once again you win.You are the absolute best man.Rock and Roll.You are so smart.These Nascar blogs are so much better when you bring your knowledge to all us infantiles.You feel better?What do you win man?I'd like to slap your ass up side the head......
Playground?Nope,Charlotte,back up your stupid all knowing ass.I'll be tailgating between 1 and 2.Sec N.Come find me.I'll be waiting you prick.........
Posted by: DJ | Mar 1, 2008 11:58:12 PM
Deb - "Since you are the Holy One and have never ordered something that was wrong, but you freakin ate it anyway and then you would be the one to sue"
And that relates to what? Robby Gordon? If so he did get the "wrong order" and in his case it was "sent back" by NASCAR rather than Robby.
"God gave you common sense, freakin use it or are you in that age group where common sense is gone?"
My that common sense tells me he screwed the pooch on the deal. No one but his employees mounted the wrong part. How and why isn't relevant, just as it wasn't with Jr's CoT wing, that was also a "mistake" they both got the same penalty for the same mistake.
"Mega teams is what you want? 5 or 6 mega teams with a bunch of little robots saying and acting like that little freak Brian wants his Nascar to be?"
I could care less one way or another, the sport survived with back yard mechanics and prospered.
The sport also survived much larger dynasties than what you see now. Read about Carl Kiekhaefer's Chrysler teams that dominated to the point of Tim Flock winning the Cup with 16 wins and 11 of those were flag-to-flag wins. Or Richard Petty''s complete domination.
Read about 1952 and how the Hudson Hornet team won 40 wins in 48 events, a winning percentage of 83% (or 28 of 34 events dependent on the source used)
What you see now isn't anywhere near what has been in the past and the sport has not only survived but grown and will continue to prosper.
"You would give both of your go-nads to be where Robbie is. He is a hell of a better person than you are."
And you know that how, on a few blog comments? Yeah, whatever, with critical thinking like that I'm glad youe in no position to matter.
Posted by: marc | Mar 1, 2008 11:25:35 PM
Whatever
Posted by: Graceann | Mar 1, 2008 11:12:53 PM
graceanne - "What exactly is your problem? Do you look for blogs and people to intrude upon so you can insult them and try to show your intelligence?"
Excuse me! You trying to rewrite history again? Better go up thread and read my first post that was in answer to some oblique ref to those that alegedly support Poole.
Where's the insult in the comment?
Remind me again who it was that simply HAD to chime in with some crap about going back to me own blog?
Oh wait, that was you: "Hey Marc, Go back to your own blog," and that was quickly followed by this childish tripe: "Hey Marc, you got some proof to back up that post?"
So, who appointed you as the Blog traffic cop on this blog? Got a problem, take it to Kathy, she'll gladly take whatever you have under advisement and act accordingly.
"On this blog we get along and post our opinion, sure we disagree with each other but we don't resort to your ways by trying to appear a opinionated ass."
Buwawahaha... and that's your largest example of rewriting history. This blog, Pooles and one or two others associated with That's Racin' have more back-biting and invective thrown by it's everyday "residents" than any twn other blogs on NASCAR.
Posted by: marc | Mar 1, 2008 11:05:45 PM
In my opinion the penalty should be upheld. The 24, 48, and 8 cars showed up with illegal CoT's and got the same penalty so I don't see why this case should be treated any differently. Penalties exist as an incentive to make sure all rules are followed, period. If a rule is broken then the penalty should be enforced, no matter whose fault it is.
I don't think NASCAR should consider intent in a situation like this. If they let Robby slide on this one then every car would show up the next week with illegal parts on their car and claim the same thing: "it was an accident". If NASCAR was able to look at that nose and determine that it was illegal then someone at Robby Gordon's team should have had the same opportunity to discover the error.
Has anyone else considered the possibility that maybe just maybe this wasn't a mistake, and was actually an attempt to gain an advantage by cheating? Maybe Robby's team tried to take advantage of their situation and try to get by with something illegal, knowing all along that they could always use the "we're new to Dodge so we didn't know this was illegal" excuse in the event that they would get caught and then avoid being penalized because NASCAR would feel sorry for them as being "innocent victims". I mean he did have a hell of an excuse to fall back on, and if you're going to cheat wouldn't you want to cheat in a way that could easily be explained as a "mistake"? Robby's not an idiot and had the perfect storm of circumstances around him to "accidentally break a rule" and plead ignorance if he got caught so I don't think it's impossible to rule that out completely.
Posted by: stricklinfan82 | Mar 1, 2008 9:27:20 PM
Marc,
Since you are the Holy One and have never ordered something that was wrong, but you freakin ate it anyway and then you would be the one to sue. Zero Tolerance doesn't always work and you know it. God gave you common sense, freakin use it or are you in that age group where common sense is gone? Mega teams is what you want? 5 or 6 mega teams with a bunch of little robots saying and acting like that little freak Brian wants his Nascar to be? How freakin exciting that will be. You would give both of your go-nads to be where Robbie is. He is a hell of a better person than you are. I don't give two shits what you say about me. Are you going to come to any of our tracks to meet us? Oh that's right, it's much easier to stay at home and spew on your computer. Go get in the buffet line with poole and leave us alone.
Posted by: Deb | Mar 1, 2008 8:42:26 PM
What exactly is your problem? Do you look for blogs and people to intrude upon so you can insult them and try to show your intelligence? I really don't care how many "feeds" you are registered with or how many facts and articles you can post. On this blog we get along and post our opinion, sure we disagree with each other but we don't resort to your ways by trying to appear a opinionated ass.
Posted by: Graceann | Mar 1, 2008 8:28:10 PM
DJ - "BS App State
AAS in Respiratory Therapy
Undereductated?Sure......."
Good for you, as an alumnus you should be able to convince that institution of higher learning to start a course in civil discourse.
you could use it.
Posted by: marc | Mar 1, 2008 7:24:33 PM
Kurt2 - "Marc,
Why did you feel the need to come here? You Dad has his own blog.."
Ummm, maybe it's a free country last I checked. And when I did check you weren't the hall monitor of this or any other blog so you have little to say about it.
Got a problem with it, contact the author maybe she can ban me. It's easily done with the click of a mouse.
"Beam only stepped up for 2 weeks wehn the story is hot? I do believe you dont live in this country.... So Fontana and Vegas they stepped up.."
Excuse me, one week.
Where are they now? Where's their support for a hood that will be sans any sponsorship in Atlanta.
Hey, here's an idea, take all that cash they scammed by selling T-Shirts to fools that have more money than common sense, and are willing to make the richer, richer with zero to show for it but a silly T-Shirt and spend it on Robby's Atlanta efforts.
"Fans dont buy it? your shitting me... almost 9,500 hundred signatures on the petiton at this time for him from Beam? No that sucks not to have fan support nor sponsor support."
So... dotted line scribblings, and the pieces of paper they're on, get no where in most cases.
Why don't YOU start a petition asking Beam to spend the thousands they gained by selling shirts and put their new found wealth on Robby's hood.
"Didnt see Lowes, Bud, nor Dupont step up on any occasion for there drivers, or owners at all. Why? Because all know that the HMS org is a group of BS and cheats... or as you might say" goes "gray alot".."
Or... they felt gaining financially by t-shirt sales wasn't the best option.
And we all know Robby would never cheat.. oh wait that isn't exactly true:
1. Robby Gordon fined and docked points for roll bar padding incident
2. Robby Gordon, driver of the #7 Chevrolet, was fined $25,000 for attempting to hit another competitor’s car during a caution period.
3. NASCAR announced Tuesday that Robert [Bob] Temple, crew chief for the #7 Chevrolet driven by Robby Gordon in the NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series, has been fined $5,000 for a rule violation that occurred last week at Martinsville Speedway.
4. Two of those penalties were issued to Robby Gordon Motorsports, including the most severe fine – $50,000 for crew chief Bob Temple – because of an unapproved intake manifold on the #7 Chevrolet.
Etc...
Really... Robby sure hasn't been silent, guess you haven't noticed.
"Marc, after the Busch race your Dad will be at the buffet at Circus Circus, this wya you wont lose him.. Trying to help"
Must be a ghost then he died in 1981.
What else ya got?
Posted by: marc | Mar 1, 2008 7:20:45 PM
marc
underinformed syncopatic responses
hey are talking about this band i know or a new one
Syncopatic Funk was a fun group of a dozen or so musicians that played covers of various ...
LMAO
Posted by: aggie | Mar 1, 2008 7:10:21 PM
DJ,
I am stupid too my friend:)
William and May sucks for a degree
But you havent seen the "light yet", you know we arent that smart and all knowing like Marc..
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 1, 2008 7:05:13 PM
Well,not quite yet....Marc,nice disertation of telling me exactly what I'm not.
BS App State
AAS in Respiratory Therapy
Undereductated?Sure.......
Just don't give a crap enough like you do and have better things to do than you to "research" Nascar crap.
Like I said,Poole hasn't had any good articles that you could post your irrelevance on......I saw the 2 as I get the damn paper!
Humor is your lacking.Someone give him a hug....I love you Marc.......
Posted by: DJ | Mar 1, 2008 7:01:29 PM
Jeff - "Marc, don't rain on the Robby Gordon Love Fest."
Since when is knee-jerk, underinformed syncopatic responses been classified as a love fest?
Posted by: marc | Mar 1, 2008 6:57:32 PM
Marc,
Why did you feel the need to come here? You Dad has his own blog..
Beam only stepped up for 2 weeks wehn the story is hot? I do believe you dont live in this country.... So Fontana and Vegas they stepped up..
Fans dont buy it? your shitting me... almost 9,500 hundred signatures on the petiton at this time for him from Beam? No that sucks not to have fan support nor sponsor support.
Didnt see Lowes, Bud, nor Dupont step up on any occasion for there drivers, or owners at all. Why? Because all know that the HMS org is a group of BS and cheats... or as you might say" goes "gray alot"..
Only thing you got right is the "silence " preached by NASCAR itself..
Marc, after the Busch race your Dad will be at the buffet at Circus Circus, this wya you wont lose him.. Trying to help
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 1, 2008 6:56:08 PM
Jeff and Marc sitting in a tree...
Hey gang,take care of the lightwork as I'm done with this "weeper".Going to participate in the city bowling tourney in which a beer or 13 may be consumed.Sorry for the moderate cussing as it was only a smige of what I wanted to say to this moron.Gretch,where you at?You still dieting?Lost down to a solid 203 from 221.Beer is my friend though,just not on the scale!LOL!
Ya'll have a good evening and remember jeff,Robby Gordon Rules.Go place your vote and RALLY FOR ROBBY!LOL!!Love it!
Posted by: DJ | Mar 1, 2008 6:53:25 PM
DJ - "That was my my point you prick...Jim Beam stepped up and rallied for the guy,so I was wondering where he was going with those comments."
Prick? Taken to tossing sad playground style invective? Typical of those that have little of anything relative to say.
"What the f is amalgamated?You are such an blowhard.Have another sip of tea and a bite of that almond biscotti......"
What is "amalgamated? There is a dictionary online, learn to use it. It makes this undereducated blogger look smarter than I am.
"Figured you step up over here since Poole hasn't had a decent article in a while.It was driving you nutts wasn't it?"
Actually he's had two posts in the last two days, guess you were too busy lapping up Robby's Kool-Aid (or something else) to notice.
"I love you Marc.Your blogmanship is far superior than us.Your knowledge of Nascar is far exceeding us mere mortals."
Your ref to homosexual love aside, no, not superior, just smart enough to look up and research what I may not know. As opposed to some you spewing out feces dressed as knowledge.
DJ - "Hey dumb ass....Who the hell ask for proof of your blowhard post?"
And you have the nerve to call me a loser?
What does this read like and located a scant few posts below yours: "Hey Marc, you got some proof to back up that post?" - graceanne.
Well, I'll take that back, you're not a loser like I'm alleged to be. You're just incapable to read the most basic english.
Posted by: marc | Mar 1, 2008 6:52:05 PM
Marc, don't rain on the Robby Gordon Love Fest.
Posted by: jeff | Mar 1, 2008 6:15:52 PM
Hey dumb ass....Who the hell ask for proof of your blowhard post?Seriously,you bring quotes from another Blowhard's blog to this one?Sad dude.Crying croc tears?Yeah,that was what I was doing.Your safe behind that pc.....
Posted by: DJ | Mar 1, 2008 6:12:06 PM
Hey Marc...You can bet your freakin' ass falls right in line with that post.Based on YOUR past performance you reek of exactly what you say I fall in.
That was my my point you prick...Jim Beam stepped up and rallied for the guy,so I was wondering where he was going with those comments.And I must make some since to your lame ass as you bascially repeated what I said about RG working it for his appeal.
What the f is amalgamated?You are such an blowhard.Have another sip of tea and a bite of that almond biscotti......
Figured you step up over here since Poole hasn't had a decent article in a while.It was driving you nutts wasn't it?
I love you Marc.Your blogmanship is far superior than us.Your knowledge of Nascar is far exceeding us mere mortals.Your ability to stave off being a complete dumb ass because of your keen ability to look up stuff because you have no other life other than a computer is a true atribute to your being able to wait untill we all post and then disect them all like a little BIATCH........Get a life looser!
Posted by: DJ | Mar 1, 2008 6:04:43 PM
Graceann - "Hey Marc, Go back to your own blog."
"Nice" repartee you have there! Is that anything like "go fast or go home!"
Or more like an edited version of STFU?
Graceann - "Hey Marc, you got some proof to back up that post?"
Funny that... just few days ago both you and DJ were crying croc tears for allegedly my posting nothing but "criticism" of others, but now you ask for "proof" of a strictly opinion comment.
Well, almost strictly opinion, don't see Jim Beam stepping up to sponsor the #7 do ya?
9fanatic - "Sounds like NASCAR wants to keep what the teams did 'quiet' to me........that IS the way they work, just like politicians. (I don't think I spelled that right) but 'yall get my meaning."
You mean NASCAR has a Get Smart-like Cone of Silence?
Or do you mean you failed to see the reason for those teams problems splashed all over USA Today. (http://tinyurl.com/336scj)
Posted by: marc | Mar 1, 2008 5:58:19 PM
Admittedly, the penalty will be a rather steep hill for Robby Gordon Motorsports to climb. I applaud his efforts as an owner driver, but he used to get to play with other people's money, now they won't let him - that's his own fault. But the points obstacle CAN in fact be overcome, just ask #24 and #48, they did it. They were in the "gray area" and nobody wanted to give them ANY slack, but they didn't really suffer (unless a championship and runner-up is suffering) couple that with when those penalties were handed down ... about halfway through the season, not 1 of 36. For the first race of the season, everyone was on equal ground - and just ask #55 about how a cheating scandal affects sponsorship, it isn't the end of the world. The money poured into the Dakar rally, and the last minute manufacturer change are likely to be a larger part of this story in my opinion.
Posted by: SpdBmp | Mar 1, 2008 5:25:33 PM
Hey Marc, you got some proof to back up that post?
Posted by: Graceann | Mar 1, 2008 5:24:47 PM
Hey Kat...I think MArc just DISSED Richard Childress Racing!...If that just don't beat all
Posted by: Fan #5 | Mar 1, 2008 5:02:21 PM
Hey Marc, Go back to your own blog.
Posted by: Graceann | Mar 1, 2008 4:57:33 PM
Sounds like NASCAR wants to keep what the teams did 'quiet' to me........that IS the way they work, just like politicians. (I don't think I spelled that right) but 'yall get my meaning.
Posted by: 9fanatic | Mar 1, 2008 4:51:07 PM
DJ - "So all you Poole lovers and RG haters and HMS knee pad wearers need to open your mind a little and look at what the prima donnas of the sport continue to do with their cars....."
Now who would those people be DJ...Hmmmm? Based on your past performance I'd guess anyone who fails to follow your line of reasoning.
"Jim Beam stepped up looks like in favor of the guy.I hope he doesn't get out and do the OW thing."
Yeah, they stepped up, as far as it went. If they are so supportive of Robby's efforts why is he sponsorless for Atlanta and a couple other venues?
The only stepping up Beam did was when the "story was hot" and they could get more FREE publicity by conning people into buying worthless T-Shirts, now not so much.
As far Robby leaving the sport or being hurt by being labeled as a "cheater," its all overblown rhetoric on the part of Robby in order to gain sympathy with the Commission on Tuesday.
Gee... lets roll the tape, Evernham gets a very large cash infusion from Gillet, closely followed by RGM signing on to the newly amalgamated GEM and gains access to all it's resources. Resources far above anything he's had since moving to NASCAR.
If anyone truly believes he's going anywhere at this point regardless of Tuesday's outcome I have a trans-Pacific Ocean bridge to sell you.
Posted by: marc | Mar 1, 2008 4:38:27 PM
nascar isn't gonna do anything for robby, except continue to screw him around as often as possible.
they claim they want more colorful drivers. robby is as colorful as they get.
nascar will hound his low budget team until they leave.
that said...
ok k2, yes i bag on kyle.
it's a backlash against the media hype that he's the 2nd coming.
actually he may be that. a friend in vegas told me years ago, if you think kurt is fast, wait till his little brother gets to nascar.
have a great weekend... !!
Posted by: exile | Mar 1, 2008 2:36:47 PM
Kat...did I miss something about the 88,48, and 17?
DJ,
Each of those cars had to fix some problems and go through inspection a second time. Can't find anything on what the problems were though.
Posted by: Kathy | Mar 1, 2008 12:35:57 PM
Kathy,
"we" were busy all day with issues ourselves and I never asked what the story was with the HMS cars.. Unlike others we do in fact pass inspection:)
I am going to find out in a bit and will let you know..
F5, "some is checked @ R and D land @ home, but its a "grid" where all templates are there in one spot and really is quite easier for them to measure.
Besides the obvious error with part numbers with Robby, its funny how the phrase now comes into play" I WASNT on the track and the other cars hit the track, but got nothing"
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 1, 2008 12:05:13 PM
Kat...did I miss something about the 88,48, and 17?
Well you know how I feel about my guy getting the shaft here.Your right in all that you said Kat.HMS continues to blatantly cheat.Say what you want, you haters of the 7,he is GOOD for the sport.I mean look at the rally for the guy.Betcha didn't know he had all these fans.I guarendamteeya if you poled the drivers "off the record" they would agree that the penalty didn't fit the crime.So all you Poole lovers and RG haters and HMS knee pad wearers need to open your mind a little and look at what the prima donnas of the sport continue to do with their cars.....
Ok,I'm alright.....As far as the sponsors labeling him as a cheater I'm not sure,It doesn't seem to effect the HMS cheaters and their sponsors or when Tony shows out.Jim Beam stepped up looks like in favor of the guy.I hope he doesn't get out and do the OW thing.Sounds like he is throwing a suttle hint/jab at Nascrap to think about on the 5th.So what you want,Nascar needs guys like RG to stay in the sport and needs more guys with the raw in your face persona and driving skills to come into the sport because the damn monopoly of the same ol' guys up front is draining the sport and the fan base.....
K2..Your boys at State today.How crappy has State become!Alot of talent but nothing on the court.Just hope the Heels can continue to play well with out p boy Lawson....Be safe.
Posted by: DJ | Mar 1, 2008 12:05:05 PM
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