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March 24, 2008
What Things Would You Change in NASCAR?
I hope everyone had a good Easter. Congrats to Wimmer for the win and RCR in the one-two finish in the Nationwide race.
As I was reading around the web about NASCAR, I was happy to see that neither Roush or Petty are doing the points swap, at least not for Martinsville, but it got me to thinking about things I would change if I were in control.
*No more top-35 - I'd get rid of the top-35 guarantee rule and make every driver race their way in, regardless of who their owner is or who their sponsor is.
*Change the Championship Provisional - I'd change the Championship Provisional where only the previous years champion can use it, but he can only use it once, not multiple times.
*No more exclusive NASCAR sponsors - I'd change it where sponsors of the sport could not keep out other viable sponsorships for teams (for example AT&T or others).
*Back to two day qualifying - I'd take it back to where it was before back when I first started following it, qualifying on Friday and Saturday, teams have another chance at a qualifying run if they didn't do well on Friday. This would also help if it happens to rain on a Friday, unless it rains on Friday and Saturday, qualifying wouldn't get rained out anymore and there wouldn't be a huge need to set the field by owner points.
*Penalties would be more severe for intentional or blatant cheating - No more same penalty for teams whether it was a mistake or intentional. If it's intentional, the penalty would be more severe, especially if it gave them an advantage.
*Take wins away from cars that fail post-race inspection - Not taking the win away has been one of NASCAR's biggest mistakes. If a car fails post-race inspection and they win, they should get the win taken away. If it was an intentional act and it gave them an unfair advantage, take the win and any money winnings away, as if they didn't even run the race at all. That would get their attention and maybe teams would think twice about it.
*Ban repeat offenders - If a crew chief repeatedly bends the rules, but doesn't really have a lot on consequences for it, they will not stop. If they are a repeat offender, they need to be banned, period, they shouldn't be allowed to start over with a clean slate every year.
*Change the crew chief suspensions - I'm not sure how, but it needs to be where if a crew chief is suspended, he can't be in contact with the team at all during that suspension. Sure, how it is now is that he can't be at the track, so what! He's still in constant communication with the team, at the shop, etc. I'm not sure how this could be monitored, maybe make them come to the track, but put them in a room with an official and not have any communication devices allowed. Something needs to be done, suspensions don't do any good, they always find a way around it to continue to help the team.
*Limit Cup drivers in the Nationwide Series - I would limit the amount of races a Cup driver could race in the lower series. If they are a full-time Cup driver, they would only be allowed to race in so many races in the lower series, no more full-time.
*Change the half-way rule and rain - If they are not sure they can get in a whole race, they should postpone it until the next day. Fans don't pay the big bucks to go see a race to half-way. We've seen numerous times with NASCAR saying they won't start a race unless they think they can get the whole thing in, well, that's BS, the fans aren't stupid, we can tell if there's a delay whether they will be racing until the end or halfway. Rain delays are something we have to deal with, but NASCAR could handle it a lot better.
That's just some of things I would change. What would you change?
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Damn Kathy.... LOL
I agree with most of the changes you mentioned with all respect to you and the blog.
NO to 2 day quals.. it makes the weekend much more tedious and tiresome.
The only other one I cant see is taking a win, as I said so many time Brian doesnt have the needed "parts" to make the call to the sponsors on that note..
Other than those you need to take Brians job, i would vote for you
Oops two more:
Get rid of Brian, Helton, Gary
Make it mandatory to run the ABC deal to get into CUP , not 1 race but each series for a year.
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 24, 2008 11:43:51 AM
I would reverse the top 35 rule. Qualify the top 35 cars on speed and then fill in the field by owners points. This way you still protect your "stars" and big time sponsors but you give more cars and equal chance to get in the race. If you can't qualify in the top 35 on speed and you are not one of the top eight in points left that don't qualify, then you probably don't belong in the race anyway.
Posted by: Peter | Mar 24, 2008 12:19:21 PM
I don't think there's much left to say after reading your proposed rule changes kathy...I'd give RICK HENDRICK a swift kick in the ass for preventing BUDWEISER from remaining DALE JUNIORS sponsor....but that's about the only thing u didn't cover :)
Posted by: EARNHARDT NATION | Mar 24, 2008 1:18:05 PM
Yeah, i am sick of seeing the Cup drivers in the Busch series too. I say 5 races per year, tops.
Either race your way in, or go the f**k home I say. AND if you have rained out qualifying for the 500 or the firts few reaces I say DO NOT go by the previous year's results. THAT is BS. Hell, draw for it. Anything but last year's points.
Car fails post race inspection, ban them from participating in The Chase regardless of their final points total with 10 to go.
CC can't seem to stop massaging and bending---send his A$$ away for a year. He can get all the massaging and bending ( over) done he needs. Take some time to reflect so to speak.
AND when they're suspended, that means NO going to the shop period. Banned.
Posted by: Gretchen | Mar 24, 2008 1:38:23 PM
I'll try to limit this to a few changes -
No more playoffs - pay massive point bonuses for wins and most laps led to where it is mathematically impossible to win the title without most wins and most laps led.
No more marketing of the brand - ALL marketing efforts will be geared to the racing only.
No more COT - go back to the old model with massive downforce, add 7.5-inch rear spoiler with wicker, add roof spoiler, ban taping of front grille.
No more qualifying setups - You qualify cold off the truck first thing Friday morning.
No Winston Cup participation in BGN - Series regulars only with more attention paid by the sanctioning body to the series and the other touring classes.
Mandatory team revenue sharing and spending cap - $7 million per car tops; revenue sharing and spending cap dictated on all entry blanks - noncompliance means refusal of entry blanks.
Point penalties take team resources into account - big teams to be hit at 1,000 for cheating; cheating fines in the high seven digits - $2.5 million for starters.
Age/experience mandate i.e. No more Young Guns - Cup rookies must have raced five full seasons in BGN and/or Trucks before allowed a WC start.
Testing limits abolished - 365 days of testing.
Tire competition - no more exclusive deals.
No more speedway fratricide - ALL speedways with dates are kept, no dates lost or shifted.
Night races ended - ALL Winston Cup races 1 PM Sunday start times; Saturday support races 1 PM Saturday start time; this will help local tracks regain lost ground and revenue in the sport.
No go-homers - qualifying determines where, not whether, you start - eligibilty for race entry will be determined based on on-track consistency over many weeks.
Okay, I couldn't limit it to a few.
Posted by: Mike Daly | Mar 24, 2008 2:02:21 PM
Dammit, I knew I had to add one more thing -
No more field freeze or lucky dog - race to the yellow when yellow comes out; spotters required to order drivers to back off if track not clear to the stripe.
Posted by: Mike Daly | Mar 24, 2008 2:03:57 PM
Short n sweet Abolish Top 35 to the Top 12
and Past Champs Provisional to Reiging Champions Provisional, Award 1 date to Rockingham and another to North Wilkesboro
Posted by: Fan #5 | Mar 24, 2008 2:11:07 PM
I would fire management...
Posted by: bandit | Mar 24, 2008 2:19:52 PM
Boy this is going to be fun. Here's what I would change in NASCAR:
QUALIFYING CHANGES:
- Cut back the top 35 rule to 25 cars.
- No more past champion's provisionals.
- No more point swapping or point purchases. If a top 35 Cup team or a top 30 Nationwide or Truck team folds, give their qualifying exemption to the 36th place Cup team / 31st place Nationwide/Truck team, NOT TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER!
- No more turning around and running backwards on the track during a botched qualifying run.
- Get rid of the rule that the top 10 qualifiers have to start the race on their qualifying tires, that's just silly.
- Roll back the number of races last year's top 35 (or 25 based on my new proposal) is used from 5 to 4. They used to only use 4 races for the longest time but expanded it to 5 when the top 35 rule was created and I don't like it. 4 races is plenty to earn a qualifying exemption for a new season. It was terrible that Johnny Sauter and Joe Nemechek were comfortably in the top 35 last year after race 4, had to miss Bristol, yet stayed in the top 35 after missing Bristol and got a qualifying exemption the rest of the year (minus the Ginn-DEI merger of course). I'm glad the rain at Bristol didn't let Brian Vickers, who was 9th in points and had already clinched a top-35 spot going in to Martinsville but still had to make Bristol on time, have a chance to miss the show like Nemechek and Sauter did in 2007.
- When qualifying in cancelled, start the field 1-43 based on owner's points. No more previous race winners, past champions, etc. Keep it simple, the 43 best teams in the sport get to start the race when qualifying is cancelled.
- If you're in the top 35 in Cup driver's points you are ineligible for a qualifying exemption in the Nationwide or Truck Series.
- I would also find some way to spice up qualifying, perhaps by adding a last chance qualifying race for the final few spots in the field. Maybe something like 25 based on my new top-25 rule, 15 on speed, and 3 on the qualifying race results. I know I, for one, would definitely watch a last chance qualifier.
IN-RACE CHANGES:
- No more phantom yellow flags.
- No more Lucky Dog rule.
- Move the "pit-out" line further down the track so the pole sitter doesn't have such a huge advantage on every yellow flag pit stop.
- Fix restarts so the leader gets to be the first car on the outside line every time. Just move the "tail end of the lead lap" cars to the inside line. Nothing good ever happens when lapped cars on older tires get to restart in the front of the outside line so close that loophole.
- Allow multiple attempts at a green-white-chckered finish. If the caution flag comes out between the green flag and white flag, try restarting again. I'm fine with ending the race if the yellow comes out after the white, because I've seen many ARCA teams get screwed out of winning races coming off turn 4 to take the checkered flag, only to have a yellow come out and rob them just feet before the finish line. But if the white hasn't come out yet, try restarting again.
- No more start-and-park drivers. When you go to NASCAR and tell them you are withdrawing from a race and to pull your scorecard, you should have to provide a NASCAR official proof that there is a terminal problem with your car (just like you do when you want to change engines during the week). If you can't, then you forefeit your purse money. I hate the start-and-park field fillers, ESPECIALLY when there are more than 43 entires and legitimate teams that would have actually raced have to miss the show at the expense of cars that will run 5 laps and park with "vibrations" or "handling" problems.
- If your car is illegal in post-race inspection you are disqualified, just like you are if you are illegal in qualifying. If teams knew they would lose the win if they were caught cheating I GUARANTEE YOU no one would ever be found illegal again.
SCHEDULING ISSUES:
- Run more stand-alone Nationwide races on the same weekends as Cup races on different tracks, and perhaps on the same day as Cup races (Nationwide during the afternoon and Cup during the night a few hours later, for example), like they used to. This would ensure that no Cup driver would dare try to run the entire schedule and win the championship. Last year 2 series regulars won a race (excluding Aric Almirola who got credit for a win that Denny Hamlin earned taking over his ride at Milwaukee) and none came anywhere close to competing for the championship. That's just not right.
- Get rid of TNT and ABC and never let them televise another NASCAR race again.
- Create a NASCAR-owned TV channel like the NFL Network we can watch every practice and qualifying session LIVE and not have to deal with crap like next week's car aution on Speed Channel.
- 36 Cup races on 36 different tracks. Get rid of the second dates for all these tracks and add races at places like Kentucky, Nashville, Gateway, Rockingham, and of course the 3/8 mile Lake Erie Speedway in Erie, PA that put on 3 great ARCA races from 2003-2005.
OTHER MISC. RULES
- No more testing for any NASCAR series on ANY NASCAR-sanctioned track, outside of the mandated tests that everyone attends. If you can ban testing at tracks your series races on then you can certainly ban it at any track NASCAR has any juristiction over.
- No more banning team sponsorships because of NASCAR exclusivity. Especially in today's economy it's very hard to find sponsors, so it's terrible that teams are losing sponsorship opportunities thanks to these ridiculous exclusivity rules.
- Get rid of the NASCAR appeals board, or change it so there is one specific group of individuals that hears every appeal. It's a total joke that 6 Nationwide teams got the same penalty for the same violation at Daytona, chose to appeal, and all received different penalties after the appeal. They all received arbitrary adjustments to their penalties based on what that particular random group of 3 committee members thought about each particular case. We need some consistency in penalties and the current appeals board obviously doesn't provide that.
- Get rid of the automatic exemption into the Bud Shootout for previous Shootout winners. Do we really need to see Bill Elliott and Ken Schrader in the pole sitter's race EVERY YEAR based on a 20-lap victory they had in 1987 or 1990? I think not.
- You can't run for Rookie-of-the-Year in the Nationwide or Truck Series if you have outrun your eligibility for Cup Series Rookie-of-the-Year. We never need to see a replay of John Andretti running for Busch Series Rookie-of-the-Year in 2006 again.
Other than that I wouldn't change anything, LOL :)
Posted by: stricklinfan82 | Mar 24, 2008 3:13:00 PM
Wow! Love all the changes everyone would make...seems like ANYONE would do a better job than Brian France right now. :)
Posted by: Kathy | Mar 24, 2008 3:32:23 PM
I liked all of these
Make it mandatory to run the ABC deal to get into CUP , not 1 race but each series for a year.
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 24, 2008 11:43:51 AM
No more playoffs - pay massive point bonuses for wins and most laps led to where it is mathematically impossible to win the title without most wins and most laps led.
Testing limits abolished - 365 days of testing.
Posted by: Mike Daly | Mar 24, 2008 2:02:21 PM
Short n sweet Abolish Top 35 to the Top 12
and Past Champs Provisional to Reiging Champions Provisional, Award 1 date to Rockingham and another to North Wilkesboro
Posted by: Fan #5 | Mar 24, 2008 2:11:07 PM
Get rid of the rule that the top 10 qualifiers have to start the race on their qualifying tires, that's just silly.
- Move the "pit-out" line further down the track so the pole sitter doesn't have such a huge advantage on every yellow flag pit stop.
- Fix restarts so the leader gets to be the first car on the outside line every time. Just move the "tail end of the lead lap" cars to the inside line. Nothing good ever happens when lapped cars on older tires get to restart in the front of the outside line so close that loophole.
- Get rid of TNT and ABC and never let them televise another NASCAR race again.
- No more banning team sponsorships because of NASCAR exclusivity. Especially in today's economy it's very hard to find sponsors, so it's terrible that teams are losing sponsorship opportunities thanks to these ridiculous exclusivity rules.
Posted by: stricklinfan82 | Mar 24, 2008 3:13:00 PM
Posted by: Donb | Mar 24, 2008 3:47:44 PM
I think one big change I would make is since we have the Lucky Dog, stop letting lap down cars restart on the inside, make ALL restarts same as the line up at the start of the race.
When a driver is 5th it's the same as being 10th, and by the time he gets around the lapped traffic the leaders are gone
Posted by: Donb | Mar 24, 2008 3:51:34 PM
StricklinFan
You now have the Vote, you and Kathy..
thank you for this buddy.
"- 36 Cup races on 36 different tracks. Get rid of the second dates for all these tracks and add races at places like Kentucky, Nashville, Gateway, Rockingham, and of course the 3/8 mile Lake Erie Speedway in Erie, PA that put on 3 great ARCA races from 2003-2005."
I know DJ would be fine with that:)
Hell Wall Township just closed. RAY E's home base...
OOPPS, another Rule change , if Brian is in POWER, make sure he has a fifth before he makes a RULE..
Trust me guys he would be more logical then, now is only a half of a fifth:)
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 24, 2008 4:23:01 PM
Well darn. Been gone all day. Called up Kathy's new post. Thought, man I sure have a lot of changes I would make. But you guys beat me to every one of them. Just goes to show you that Kathy has the smartest race bloggers anywhere. Good job everyone!!
Posted by: Diane | Mar 24, 2008 4:27:54 PM
Holy cow Batman!Lots of ideas by good fans that know what made the sport great and would make it better now.My ideas run right along with everyone elses' with a few variations here and there.
Stricklin takes over for Helton for starters!
For qualifying.....
No more top 35.
Allow 46 starters...build a few more pit stalls.
Make as many attempts to get qualifying in before the race.Got lights?Use 'em....
No impounding.Less Practice......
For the race.....
Race back to the yellow.No Lucky Rover....
Green,White,Checker at least 3 times.
If you are more than 2 laps down,move your ass over for the leaders or get black flaged.
How is the COT saving $??My opinion is still iffy on the COT.
For the overall well-being of the sport and fan.....
NO RACING IN MEXICO OR CANADA.....
Re- do the Schedule:
Only 1 race @ Pocono,Michigan,Martinsville,New Hampshire and especially boring ass Phoniex.
Get rid of Cali..blow it up...
Replace by bringing back the ROCK(Hillenberg is doing great things down here),and make it a day other than Feb or Nov!Add Kentucky.No flat tracks except Richmond,add banking.Add Nashville.Maybe put a track in Wisconsin,say a track like a Dover but 1.3 miles.It's just plain faast,as Richard says.That area has put out alot of good drivers and fans.Give one of the Towers a name like Trickle tower and such....
Give the boys a few more breaks during the season by extending it a little or like earlier,blow up Cali....
Labor day back to Darlington.....
The TV coverage is something that unfortuneatly ain't gonna change with the $$ involved.But...get rid of Weber,Brewer,Hammond,Myers,Rusty.Add Pam Anderson....TNT sucks,ESPN isn't much better now.Back in the day though...Bob Jenkins and Punch were good.Bring back Baker in some capacity.
Get rid of these late starts!
While I'm at it free beer for all the fans...
Free Parking Damn it!!
3 car limit to teams.
I'd say limit Cup drivers in the BUSCH racing,but right now I don't think they would have enough to race.However,I'm sure the interest level would increase if they didn't have 15-20 racing each week.
I could go on...........
Posted by: DJ | Mar 24, 2008 4:58:11 PM
DJ, hold a race @the ROCK..
I will retire that day and come to watch you give fans FREE BEER...Then help you keep the peace. AS I can bring Mr Baker out to keep the peace. Damn big man and I would never piss him off:)EVER..
Lesson in life , damn sure NASCAR, choose your battles. Mr Buddy is a big man, Mr Baker might be older but Mr Baker can still kick rears:)
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 24, 2008 5:09:20 PM
No Chase.
Champion gets pick of pit stall for the entire year just like Earnardt did.
Inspect all cars post-race by independent outside inspectors.
No out-of-bounds for Daytona and Talladega.
Lapped cars to the rear after restarts. Too bad if it takes too long. We have to put up with the pre-race Booth for an hour.
Normal sized fuel cells for every race.
Throw Brian France, Pemberton, Darby & Helton out.
I still think the races are manipulated where possible.
That's all I can think of right now. Please excuse anything repeated, as I usually do not post on this blog.
Posted by: Mary | Mar 24, 2008 5:14:50 PM
You are fine Mary...good points.
Too bad we don't have that magic wand to wave around K2.Yeah,the beer thing should be meant for me and my buds!I'm sure Nascar would be far the most popular sport in the history of sports if FREE BEER was the deal.Maybe free beer tomorrow.....
Yeah I started liking Baker back when he was Petty's team mate and then announcing.Give me him anyday instead of Larry MAC Reynolds.Put him in charge of Nascar and let the big dog eat.......
Posted by: DJ | Mar 24, 2008 5:49:11 PM
One thing NASCAR has to do is limit the teams to 3 cars, And abolish the exclusivity...NASCAR especially tony stewart wants that gone..We the fans not only want Manufacture competition but Fuel & Tire competition...
And NASCAR need more severe penalties for rule infraction...not $ 100 K nut more along the line of $7-900K is more like it since today the multicar teams can afford a fine like that...NASCAR should also invite other manufacure like Mercedes Benz/AMG, BMW,Nissan/Infinite,Honda/Acura,Hyundai/Kia,Subaru ETc that one one team represent one manufacture and not have the "Manufacture Backing" issue they have now
Posted by: Hank Hill | Mar 24, 2008 6:21:11 PM
How can you not want to get rid of Darrell Waltrip? No Darrell or Michael, Chris Myers, Jeff Hammond.
No top 35.
Rockingham is doable, but N. Wilkesboro is not, unfortunately. Get rid of California. Give Labor Day race back to Darlington and run it at night. Either race earlier on Sunday or race Saturday night. Starting races at noon (12:20 to 12:40 p.m. EST) is ridiculous. Whatever happened to 11 a.m. starting time for the Daytona 500?
Pre race shows start at 8 a.m. and run for hours (even though I enjoy the SPEED show). An hour and a half pre-race "festivities" too much. Spend less time on the pre-race stuff and more on the post race. We'd like to know about ALL the drivers - not just the winner, Dale Earnhardt Jr., Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Jimmie Johnson and Kyle Busch.
I agree - get rid of "official NASCAR sponsors". NASCAR and the France family are NOT hurting for money and many of the teams are thanks to them.
Move over flags are to be taken seriously. Not just the Derrike Cope and Johnny Sauters but the Kyle Busch and Tony Stewarts also. Administer them equally. Set a criteria and FOLLOW it.
Same for rule book violations. If you break the rules - serve the penalty. If that means Jr's team breaks a rule - and Kyle Petty's team breaks the same rule they get the same penalty. Repeat offenders (tweakers of the rules - workers of the grey areas, etc.) need to be gone for a year. Especially when they knew they were breaking the rules (Chad Knaus). If NASCAR is smart - they will do with him what they did with Gary Nelson several years ago and hire him away so he can't help teams and can stop the infractions.
Snowing here in Idaho - hope everyone had a good Easter.
Posted by: Sammy | Mar 24, 2008 7:01:06 PM
Run at least one race a year in the SNOW, the cars already have plows on them (spliters)
Posted by: gitmo | Mar 24, 2008 7:35:43 PM
DJ,
If you start free beer at the ROCK 2 things will happen, I will be there and HELL I WILL DRINK AGAIN:)
You would buddy have a hell of a attendance:)
I agree whomever above stated bring Bob Jenkins back, CAN DW, and MW(Sorry ENation). I want Punch, John Roberts andjenkins in the booth...
No to you all I was a kid when I saw that.
Love Buddy Baker to death, Larry, Hammond is a awesome guy..
Sounds rude, HANG TIM BREWER from the pace car(assH**E)... F5, I think you know where i am going with that:)
DJ, from knowing Mr Baker for a few , few years (his antics prior and now) the kids would be "SCARED STRAIGHT " from day 1.
Since you went there let Jr Johnson run the drivers meetings .
Mary, welcome, you left one out of the thrown out process. Loose Gary Nelson.. I feel bad for Darby, he is and has to become a puppet for the others you listed..Thats not the true John Darby at all...
Trust me , all have made valid things that I would love to see..
1) cant go back to 2 quals a weekend with the schedule and testing.. WE would die.Sorry ladies and gents.. Its too damn hard
2) Sorry to say(I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS), loose the CHASE"
3)HEll yeah Rad get better/DJ, meet me in Tonya. I know where Brians is, and NASACAR headquarters..
4) STILL SHOULD BE RACE IN OR GO HOME>>> BYE BYE
thats how Tim R, Gant, Pearson, Richard P,Tiny L, Sr, Petty, Red F, Buddy B all learned the sport.... The intial GO OR GO HOME..
5) Gretch, great idea with CC's not going to the shop, but it prevents nothing. With the TECH today they would circumvent it somehow.
But step it up for repeat asses( want names?) oh i will behave.
LAST< MAKE EVERY TRACK ACCOUNTABLE FOR SAFER BARRIERS AROUND THE TRACK IN AND OUT>, or walk the hell away.
Saw Sr and Adam thats enough for me ever..
Jeff G got lucky that day.. That was vicious and not a pleasant hit ..Like him or not my heart sank as a friend upon impact..
NO DRIVER LIKE HIM OR NOT SHOULD HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT>
When I am down there I dont have a damn soft thing but luck and trust..Do I want to get that impact at roughly 55 MPH or more? Hell no.. No driver needs that like him or not
Its time for the damn TRACKS:
POCONO
NEW HAMPHIRE
to step the hell up and actually do something to improve the places overall.Give the infield better facilities as well.
I know my spelling sucks:)
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 24, 2008 8:42:11 PM
Kurt2; That Was a FIRST at Vegas and the went with what was approved. They are already Fixing that Spot and the rest of the inside wall! If you are there; you know that 99.9% of impacts were outside wall impacts!This was a FREAK Thing,but they are fixing it.The rest of you that think tire wars are the answer, obviously weren't around for the last round between Goodyear and Hoosier!
Posted by: Bear | Mar 24, 2008 10:39:48 PM
OK BEAR, you chose this one not I....
SO in your thought 99.9% of impacts are outside wall.. Please tell me where that stat came from... how can you gather data on that, you cant. you cant not do a TEST where a stock car going over 190 mph add all factors in and tell me where it will hit. If YOU can, damn you need to talk to Gary Nelson and All the track owners.. you would be a rich one..
"FREAK" thing, yep, case in point when I SAW Sr die in the wall it was FREAK HIT FOR HIM, (seen him hit harder and alot worse), same thing with a kid (ADAM) whom is no longer here.
In your math 99.9 is good, I call the .1%bullshit . Why might you ask? The amount of money the Tracks make and NASCAR. it shouldnt be an . nothing
SAFER barriers inside and out...PERIOD...
BTW, I was around and am familar with the tire wars.. Hell right now Goodyear produces a okay tire. Why can they? because they are exclusive sponsor.Competition is a good thing period, makes the sponsors stay on top of the game.
Here are a few for you:"
BSR,Racing Electronics, Racing Radios, Nelson with "PI".. Should I continue
Dont care if it wa a first anywhere, a first for a driver or crew member is one time too many, only takes one FREAK TIME>
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 24, 2008 11:55:17 PM
I will say it all again, probably for the 18th time here....
-Take all the races away from Fontana, Chicago, Kansas and Indy. That is a schedule that is 5 races shorter. So we killed two birds; shortened the schedule and dumped the tracks that consistently produce subpar racing.
-Top 35 rule goes away; in its place, you run what you brung and if you don't make mustard then oh well.
-Turn Michigan into another superspeedway; 2.75 miles with 36 degrees in the turns and 19 in the tri.
-Shut down Death Trap Speedway in Texas and build a track that is a mirror of the "old" Bristol.
-Bring back The Rock (okay maybe shortening the schedule goes out the window).
-Don't EVER, EVER, EVER, even THINK about shutting down Martinsville or taking away a race from Atlanta or New Hampshire.
Yeah its all crazy and not a lot of folks would be amenable to all this, but hey, just one man's opinion.
Posted by: Joe | Mar 25, 2008 9:59:58 AM
All races start at 1:00 Eastern, no pre-race show longer than 30 minutes and more post race...I know the drivers are in a hurry to leave, well tough, they make enough money for the top 10 to have to do interviews after the race. When under caution, the lead lap cars pit in line one behind the other, I want the lap down cars to be able to do the same..run one extra lap and get the lap down cars tight like the lead lap cars, ....when pitting under green, UP the speed limit on pit road, I know wide open would be deadly for some of these drivers today, but some of these pit road speeds are too slow under caution much less pitting under green. Only one lucky dog per car, per race, Busch getting 5 or 6 last year was nothing short of a gift.(They need to let them race back to caution, but thanks to Mikey, they won't) If they go another lap down, something is wrong with their 'run' anyway. Every piece of debris on the track that causes a caution HAS TO BE TELEVISED. After the Daytona 500, rained out races are started by the current years points. Limit Cup cars to 3 races in Nationwide, and only three drivers per race with the exception of the Cup rookies, they can run them all their rookie year. Lap down cars have to start at the back of the field with 25 laps to go, or maybe 50 at short tracks. 10 laps to go, all they do is mess up the leaders. Drivers out of the top 35 qualify first, not last, they are giving an unfair advantage to some drivers who do not need to be in front of the field. Places like Daytona and Talladega they are just asking for disaster.Do they WANT another Earnhardt Sr. incident????? All night races start no later than 7:00 Eastern. I don't care what time it is in California. Green, white, checkered, who are they kidding? That is only two laps. Change it to THREE LAPS, THAT IS WHAT THEY CALL IT AND THAT IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE!!!!! It takes two laps at some tracks to get up to speed like they need to be. Fire Brian France and Mike Helton. I am sure I could think of more but this will do for now, since non of it is going to happen.
Posted by: 9fanatic | Mar 25, 2008 10:14:14 AM
-Ditch the 35 rule and make 'em qualify on talent and speed.
-Shorten all races so that none, except the Lowes endurance race, exceeds 3.5 hours. Whoever is leading at that mark wins the race.
-Put windshield wipers, lights, and inclement weather tires on the cars and let 'em run in bad weather.
-Create KASEY KAHNE free zones for the elderly at all the tracks.
-Get a road course in the Chase.
-NASCAR oughta hire it's own emergency worker crews instead of relying on the slow poke locals.
-In order to win the championship, the winner musta at least won a race during the season.
-Oh, and ban the confederate flag from all events. Need to attract the diversity crowd and this racist symbol discourages that.
Of course none of this will happen but it's nice to rant. Last time I read attendance and viewership is up.
Little bit of Junior doing better and the COT bringing more parity to the sport has revitalized the sport so nothing is going to change any time soon.
Posted by: Jon2 | Mar 25, 2008 11:10:16 AM
J2,
You left one out.:
-If you are a CC and a REPEAT OFFENDER you are banned for a year. NO appeal granted
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 25, 2008 11:19:19 AM
-Either get rid of the lucky dog rule or keep it and make lapped cars start at the tail end.
-Bigger bonuses for winning
-Cut points off around 30 or so to keep mangled cars off the track.
-Cut the length of every race but the Daytona 500, the Coke 600 and Brickyard 400.
-Less pre-race, more post-race coverage
-Rotate tracks, drop dates, do something to have fewer 1.5-2.0 mile tracks and more short tracks
-Change up the schedule for the Chase to make it more representative of each type of track
-Drop the Chase back to 10 drivers
-No points for leading laps under yellow
Posted by: BrianJ | Mar 25, 2008 11:29:09 AM
J2...I won't EVEN go there with the Confederate flag!!!...Not sure what you've been smoking but it sure as hell can't be legal!
I see the Jack in the Hat has fired another salvo! THIS is gonna get good!
Posted by: Fan#5 | Mar 25, 2008 11:50:10 AM
K2,
A multi race suspension and some money thrown in to boot suits me just fine, of course all based on the severity of the misinterpretation of the rule in question. Your recommendation is a tad too harsh in my opinion.
By the bye, whatever happened to those alleged 88, 48 & 17 infractions that you and Kathy mentioned a while back?
Fan#5,
Why am I not surprised.
Posted by: Jon2 | Mar 25, 2008 12:11:04 PM
F5 - If Jack's quote is true, someone could be in serious trouble. If Jack can't prove what he said in this quote, maybe he'll be in trouble. Personally I hope it's not true.
Posted by: Diane | Mar 25, 2008 12:12:09 PM
Well its been awhile since J2 fired a slam at KK, I see it couldn't wait any longer.
Posted by: Graceann | Mar 25, 2008 12:17:31 PM
The Confederate Flag is a part of history. The way you interpret its meaning is when it becomes racist. Its not meant that way unless that is the way you choose to look at it.
Posted by: Graceann | Mar 25, 2008 12:23:53 PM
J2, Typical Yankee reply...study up on the Cival War and learn what it was really about, I know GA he just can't leave it alone!
Posted by: Fan#5 | Mar 25, 2008 12:27:45 PM
F5, No doubt you dealt with Jack at one time or another..
this is going to explode..
I also didnt touch J2's Flag comment on purpose F5,its some form of crack i think he is smoking. Oops no, he is kissing :)
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 25, 2008 12:35:48 PM
I'll touch it...J2..leave it to you to say something to get under people's skin.You enjoy it don't you?You had to bring the Confederate flag in the mix.It's people like you that keep racism alive instead of doing something positive.I bet the majority of the folks on here or even at the track see the flag as a symbol of the roots of racing.That's it.If more, it has to do with Heritage,pride,not what you are thinking as well as others.I know others view it differently and I understand that view.But at the track it has nothing to do with that.But you know untill someone who wanted to keep it alive said something a couple of years ago,it was not an issue.Nor should it be at the track.I know we are in the United States of the offended,but give me a break.Last time I checked the price of admission was the same for all.Where you are from,your color or class has nothing to do with it.If you feel someone that has that flag is directly or indirectly waving that flag as a deturrant to keep you out of the track,then just don't come in.If you have the ability to not be narrow-minded and see that it is waving,not because of hatred toward you,but just a symbol of racing..then come on in and party with us.And before you go saying I'm racist,save it...I've got plenty of black friends,white friends and Mexicans.I have taken one of my Mexican friends to the races and he had a ball.He may have been the only one I saw BTW.If one of my black friends wanted to go,I would take him.Thing is,he just isn't interested and it has nothing to do with the flag.
I am racist toward dumbasses.You act like one,you are one.That's all I say about that.
Posted by: DJ | Mar 25, 2008 12:44:54 PM
"...I know others view it differently and I understand that view...."
Posted by: DJ | Mar 25, 2008 12:44:54 PM
Well then you and I have some connectivity after all in this matter.
Posted by: Jon2 | Mar 25, 2008 12:53:56 PM
Well said DJ...
But I think he likes to incite things like this.
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 25, 2008 12:59:35 PM
J2,
Why is the year to harsh for repeat offenders? Worried about the 48 huh?
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 25, 2008 1:18:20 PM
Dump the Chase. It's contrived and bogus. the driver with the most points at the end of the season wins. PERIOD.
Race back to the yellow and get rid of the dawg. The rule was implemented because a disabled car on the track "almost" got hit. Key word is ALMOST which means it didn't. It didn't get hit because that car was surrounded by racing professionals.
Suspended CCs should have to report to the track to a designated room guarded by NASCAR officials. Confiscate all cell phones and other communication devices before they enter that room. Allow them to view the race on a TV. PERIOD.
Ya'll did a pretty good job on the other stuff. One thing though. I have to stand up for Jeff Hammond. I met him at Pocono and he was adorable and accommodating. There's NO WAY I can throw him under the bus.
I vote for Jr Johnson to replace Beanbrain Brian and Mr Buddy can take Big Mike's spot. I also think John Darby is an okay pretty fair guy until he gets overridden by the big shots.
Posted by: Barb G | Mar 25, 2008 1:59:40 PM
NO RACING IN MEXICO OR CANADA.....
Re- do the Schedule:
see senor ..... and
ehhhhh no races up here
Posted by: aggie on ebay | Mar 25, 2008 2:13:58 PM
The Confederate flag is just what it's name says. A Confederate flag.........it is entitled to fly as a freedom of speech symbol, if for no other reason. It is funny to me that it is ok for a demonstrater to burn the American Flag under the freedom of speech 'rule' but nobody is suppose to fly the Confederate flag.........that alone makes people in the South fly it. If African Americans want to go to a race the flag won't stop em.........nothing else stops them from doing anything they want to do. This is just one thing tangible that makes people want to stick their fingers in somebody else's pot, and make them conform to their beliefs. I will fly one as long as I live. If you don't like it, don't look at it.
Posted by: 9fanatic | Mar 25, 2008 2:17:31 PM
"Why is the year to harsh for repeat offenders? Worried about the 48 huh?"
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 25, 2008 1:18:20 PM
I'm really not that much of a 48 fan as I am the 24.
But now that you've mentioned the 48. Chad Knaus reminds me of a very talented tax accountant or tax lawyer. Looks for the loopholes and dives right through them. That was very true with his approach with the old car, but it appears that the loopholes might be more difficult to discover with this new setup. However, over time maybe he'll help rewrite the rules regarding this current one. Who knows.
From what I've read he's one of the smartest crew chiefs ever in the modern history of the business. Right up there with Ray. So let's not let a few blemishes on his record distract from the greatness of his skills and accomplishments.
Posted by: Jon2 | Mar 25, 2008 2:51:12 PM
J2,
He is right up there with Ray E , as Ray taught him his knowledge..
A few blemishes? Gimme a break your comparison, you yourself stated he was a crook basiclly..
But you must know that CK runs the roost over there.
9Fan and DJ, good post on the flag. Lat I checked its a free country and the flag signifies what the South did.I would love to say 2 things on this but I would incite a riot from J2.. I would be called the R word..
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 25, 2008 3:01:12 PM
I really don't think Ray taught Chad everything, if he had Chad wouldn't have been caught so many times. As far as the "Flag" and "racist" and "rights". Well I have rights just like the rest and I am tired of mine always being the one that's "removed" or found to be wrong after being in place for years. They are my rights and I demand they be protected! There, I can holler just like they can!
Posted by: Graceann | Mar 25, 2008 3:11:11 PM
Still not smoking & I am a little ugly today.
Posted by: Graceann | Mar 25, 2008 3:14:22 PM
Good job Graceann, keep up the good work.
Posted by: Diane | Mar 25, 2008 4:28:01 PM
Jon2,
I ware my rebel flag on my truck proudly. Why don't you go back up north where you belong and leave our flag the hell alone.
Damn, I get so fired up over people's opinion about us southerns and how we should live.
Get rid of the little freak Brian!!!!!!
That would be a very good starting point.
G-ann,
I'm a little ugly today to. Not a good day to start on the flag issue.
Posted by: Deb | Mar 25, 2008 5:27:04 PM
For everyone who said, "Bring back the Rock":
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3309063
Who wouldn't show up, May 4th, if DJ's free beer idea was reality.
Posted by: dave | Mar 25, 2008 6:56:15 PM
Jon2,
For you information the Confederate Flag isn't a racist symbol, it is the people that attact those who chose to fly the Confederate flag are the racists. The Flag is a part of our history and should be flown proudly just like any state flag.
I think it is pretty sad that there are people across our great country that think it is a good idea to burn the American Flag and yet it is a bad idea to fly a flag the represents our history.
Posted by: Jon | Mar 25, 2008 8:01:22 PM
deb
I ware its wear Ok too many bud liets lol i see my rebel flag on my truck proudly.
what no gun rack?? you sure your from the south, check on google maps OK LOL or gooogle earth and u might see that howitzer welded to the truck that is in your yard!!!
come on DEB iam not riding in that no gun rack truck!! with my muggers hat/beannie on lol
Posted by: aggie | Mar 25, 2008 8:03:33 PM
Jon2,
A few blemishes, the man has been caught more than a dozen times from what I read online, I don't call that a few!!!
Posted by: Jon | Mar 25, 2008 8:11:57 PM
Agg,
Who the hell cares if I can spell anymore.
I've already done that crap for half my life and guess what? I don't have to remember or think or act like a sweet girl, cause I've already done that crap. HaHa
To many pain pills. How bout a machine gun mounted to my brushguard above my rebel flag tag and we can ride around 285 all day. Will you feel safe then in Atl?
Posted by: Deb | Mar 25, 2008 8:21:26 PM
Deb
Will you feel safe then in Atl?
hey how about the not fed in 2 weeks doberman in the back ??? now that be fun get car-jacked and the dog have the feast of his life lol
good one lol do i get to be tonto and u the lone ranger lol
Posted by: aggie | Mar 25, 2008 8:36:29 PM
Agg,
Already got the bad dog, 8lb mini weenie who will hate your butt. He backs the half pitbull down next door. My favorite thing to watch is Cops when they turn the dog lose. Good Stuff! HaHa Don't worry, us southern girls know how to protect the weaker sex!!!!!
Posted by: Deb | Mar 25, 2008 9:08:05 PM
Hey Aggie, I got 2 Border Collies that won't let you in my yard unless you give them a cookie. They will be your best friends for life after the cookie. I do have to warn you they do ride on 4-wheelers, lawn mowers & in the back of trucks. When they are on the wheelers & mowers they sit in the seat.
Posted by: Graceann | Mar 25, 2008 10:52:21 PM
Oh boy....ROUSH is stirring up the pot again with TOYOTA...I have to assume that there is some truth to these accusations or else ROUSH wouldn't go public with all this..JUNIORS my boy,but I always root for MIKEY too....now I'm wondering which toyota suppossedly had this ROUSH "car-part"...
KURT2,
Just tell me that ROUSH isn't gonna point fingers at WALTRIP racing...I don't want any team to be cheating like this,its not good for anyone..with GIBBS doing so well this year,I'd almost think ROUSH would only consider GIBBS cars serious competition as far as the TOYOTA cars go...I don't want this accusation to be true,but if its against one of MIKEYS cars,he might be put outta buisness...this will be an interesting week.
Posted by: EARNHARDT NATION | Mar 25, 2008 11:03:10 PM
deb
Already got the bad dog, 8lb mini weenie
that like a good trip to the bathroom lol
Posted by: aggie | Mar 25, 2008 11:20:08 PM
en
boom haur jr's suits still look brutal
i dont know what to make of J roush and you guys who have around longer than dirt, ever since that incident with MM and sr back in 90?? Which cost mm the championship
Jack has always felt NASCAR has it for him and they do lol
this latest 99 incident where me made such a big stink lie detector bs and all…….then why he didn’t he appeal it is ??? to me, its simple he was guilty as sin
on the new nascar “ roulette appeal wheel” there is a foregivness/less points off stop on it now lol
if Jack was so adamant they didn’t cheat then jack appeal it and make your case...., hey didn’t the bush cars get off on the same lid?? Penalty??
now hey he didnt appeal it?? is anyone guess?? mmmmmm????
now u take the 100 points plus the 10 plus the bad races by the 99 and to be honest the jrosuh & 99 f ked themselves royally.....points are hard to come by now, and u have be consistent, the 99 went from the penthouse to the out house in 3 weeks………which is good for the phoney!!
k2 what’s your line and jack should have used it put up ro shut up right off the hope with nascar
jack seems like a nice but some times he seems like a twisty lil f—ker……….right now id worrrrry about keeping crown happy and saving jay mac ass and cr’s 20 million…..
speaking of that loser j mac I read where he used a sports shrink like the golfers LOL to funny………j mac you’re a loser NO depak chopra is going to help YOU
C-royal would look so good at rcr with jeff burton in any shape or form, classy booze class guy class team and org……cr wake up and dump frf and that loser j mac ASAP
Posted by: aggie | Mar 25, 2008 11:38:55 PM
There are so many things that I would change in NASCAR, I think the #1 has to be the Top 35 are locked in. I agree with the habitual offenders need to be banned for at least one year and they shouldn't be allowed to have any contact with the team, by the way I think if you are caught for a second timne that would constitute habitual and 15 times would garner a life-time ban.
Posted by: Jon | Mar 25, 2008 11:40:51 PM
k2
your agood judge of talent i think so where
Chrissy Wallace's Craftsman Truck Series debut
what your take on her and her carrer??
Posted by: aggie | Mar 25, 2008 11:45:09 PM
aggie...CR at RCR/JB...your killing me, You think Boomhouer's suit look pecker touching? Did you see the pic/story on JMac on T/R?...reminds me of Elvis...the Vegas years...BTW I heard that Toyota "stole" a prototype "Hinged oil tank cover/spring loaded sidewindow" =O
Posted by: Fan #5 | Mar 26, 2008 12:29:26 AM
ENation
It is going to be a interesting week with the CAT in the Hat.. Heard about the situation late in the day when it happened..All I will say here ENATION is keep your head up....
To be honest Jack is a decent guy, competitive as hell and smart as hell.This beast rears its head hold on cause shit will hit the fan in the garage.. Going to be a interesting PULL IN day this week...
Jon ,loved that post, yeah we agree "Chad has a few blemishes". His ass is as crooked as the brakes will be hot and fire red this weekend @ MArtinsville.
NO DJ and RAD didnt foget I owe the dogs from here and the bologna sandwiches.
Deb, when did you stop being the "sweet ,proper lady?" LMAO:)
Aggie, you will never see Crown on the 31 with Jeff B in it.. Nope..
Yes Chrissy has the talent needed , she will be fine.
For those watching the CTS Series, keep a eye on the kid in the 6 truck this weekend.. Great kid, alot of talent to come..
Deb and Graceann,
heading to get me a Bull Mastiff next week, found the girl I want to add to the Bassett and Jack Russell domain..
She is going to 8 weeks old when I get her and she is a "little 65 lb" ball of joy...:)
For you guys a great article is on that damn "offical website" for NASCAR on Clay from Martinsville.. Known him for many years and is a true man of his word with anything.. I knew all that was in there but shows his devotion to the sport,his track and the community he has there..
If you ever get a chance go there for a race, awesome place and they treat everyone inside and outside the track like family..
PLUS THEY HAVE THE BEST TRACK FOOD EVER>I will gain 8-10lbs this weekend..OOPPSSS, and its not the damn $8 hamburgers and 7 dollar fry crap either like CA, Pocono, NH, or even Charlotte tracks have.
OH BTW Mr Confederate Flag disliker (J2), for some odd reason nothing has happened with the 2 HMS cars nor the 17.. Odd very odd. Just glad Kathy saw it so I wouldnt be dealing with black helicopter comments..
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 26, 2008 12:29:48 AM
"....for some odd reason nothing has happened with the 2 HMS cars nor the 17.. Odd very odd. Just glad Kathy saw it so I wouldnt be dealing with black helicopter comments.."
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 26, 2008 12:29:48 AM
Yep, just as I thought, the two of you are two peas in the same pod.
Posted by: Jon2 | Mar 26, 2008 9:36:42 AM
Jone2 - Sorry, but I also saw the report on the 88, 48 and 17. So no conspiracy here.
Andy Petree talked about Jack's allegations on NASCAR Now last night. He wondered why he didn't come out with this to the public when it first happened. Petree also said that there are ways this could have happened accidentally or without intention. I for one am anxious to hear more.
Posted by: Diane | Mar 26, 2008 10:21:01 AM
I saw the report on the three cars as well. Its funny how the whole thing just dissappeared. K2, enjoy that new bundle of joy. They can really be special. Our male border collie takes care of our neice. She has Rhet syndrome, he herds her, if he thinks she is going where she shouldn't be he will grab her shirt and gently pull her back. She makes him a nervous wreck. The female follows her around and waits for her to drop food, she loves to see them come up the drive.
Posted by: Graceann | Mar 26, 2008 10:45:55 AM
K2
Aggie, you will never see Crown on the 31 with Jeff B in it.. Nope..
U JUST HAD TO RUIN My DAY........OK 4th car at rcr then anything but 5th at roush!!!!!!
to me roush is a
a a 3-4 car team with a glorified bush team
b a 1 car team with 99 and jack
c 2 car team with biff and MK
d 5 truely independent teams under one roof/org
unity and roush to me is an oxymoron
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 11:47:43 AM
k2
happened with the 2 HMS cars nor the 17.. Odd very odd.
lol yeah they didnt even get their turn on the nascar
“ roulette appeal wheel”
f5
how are the bike disc brakes 5 feet off the ground????
told that one, to bike shop guys they howled and said the silly bugger eends the new shimano xtr chute under the seat lol
speaking fo flags
i still love the patch they sell at biker rallys
"try burning this one asshole"
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 11:57:29 AM
Glad to see your reading J2.. I would rather be a pea in a pod with Kathy or anyone here but you. Since you love to stir the pot, comment on a flag, and choose to make your own "new rules" in Nascar as long as it doesnt affect HMS.. But then admit that they cheat..
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 26, 2008 12:03:49 PM
"-Get a road course in the Chase." Jon2
I will eat feces for this one, but I agree with you. I'd like to see The Glen in the chase. But I'm not sure what the fall weather is like for them.....
"-Less pre-race, more post-race coverage" Brian J
Amen. The pre-race kills me and post race is never enough
"But now that you've mentioned the 48. Chad Knaus reminds me of a very talented tax accountant or tax lawyer. Looks for the loopholes and dives right through them." jon2
I can't see that anyone on this blog can deny that CK is at this point in his career the big dawg in the garage area. Prolly runs the show at HMS truth told. But what you can't deny as well is that he cheats----and gets caught more often than most. Is that because he cheats more than most? beats me as I am not in the know on such matters. He seems to maybe be the Johnny Cochran of his profession. Everyone in need of a good defense attorney clammored to JC.
Speaking of JC who is BLACK: AND THE FLAG ISSUE..........oh boy.
BLACK people get offended by the Stars and Bars for the SAME EXACT REASON that MOST Americans today are offended by the F***ing Muslims and the Koran. They as a people DID suffer great human injustices at the hands of white people operating that under flag-- BEFORE, DURING, and AFTER the US Civil War. Just as inherent racism has alomst been bred into a lot of whiteys in the south, an inherent hatred and offense is felt by blacks in regard to that flag.
EVEN THOUGH NONE of us today have neccesarily done anything to "them". They still feel that way. And we STILL carry attitudes that border on racist attitudes---what did most of us say about the college students getting killed? "baggy pants, dreadlocks" and on and on........the unspoken obvious is that we ALL were referring to black males. Are they any more evil than Gary Hilton- a WHITE Veteran who decapitated two women and mudered an elderly couple?
I will say that A LOT of people who fly the CSA flag are not racists at all. They are proud Southerners. It's that OTHER group that fly it out of pure hate and combativeness that make it suck for the rest.
I own a Confederate Flag. The Civil War has been an obsession of mine for many years. I've got Confederate money, bullets, a CSA hat, a very expensive portrait of Robert E. Lee on my bedroom wall. The war was fought over more reasons than just slavery. Unfortunately in the aftermath of the war, the flag was flown and utilized as a symbol of hate. And therein lies the reason it is seen as offensive to most black people. The other reason is that when a truck load of young white male punks- seen by my own eyes- rides by a group a small back children and yells " N***er" at them while proudly displaying their CSE Flag, it tends to offend folks and smear the flag even more.
And that is the reason I don't display mine.
Now ya'll good southern folks tell me to go fuck myself.
Posted by: Gretchen | Mar 26, 2008 12:13:48 PM
f5
aggie...CR at RCR/JB...your killing me,
no your killing me .....where then??
You think Boomhouer's suit look pecker touching?
iam not sure if the village people has a race driver in their band/act??
i still loved the term gretchen used for gays
Did you see the pic/story on JMac on T/R?... where?/ iam duh here??
reminds me of Elvis... i just bought some EP glasses on ebay with the gold plated EP logo......their awesome, its like halloween lol
...BTW I heard that Toyota "stole" a prototype "Hinged oil tank cover/spring loaded sidewindow" =O
i will say this i was impressed it was at a german windtunnel that they found that aero advatage.....the japs arent two original they are however great copier and improvers of european things in cars
its like that lexus with an 7-8 speed tranny, do u really need one?? give me a power glide 2 speed OK, as much a si like techno shit some of it is over kill
F5 sepaking of losers see where in F1 that gonzo/alonso after 2 races wants out from renault and wants to go to ferrarie, talk about a loyal driver, or an absolute a-hole f1 prima donna........i wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 12:38:07 PM
Gretchen - Thanks for your post. Being a "Yankee", I can't comment on the feelings Southerners have for the Confederate flag. Since I'm white, I also can't comment on the feelings blacks have about it. I just know I'm sad that so many people, all over the World, do not like those who are different from themselves. That includes color, religion, politics, rich, poor, etc. The way I look at it is - the World would be an awfully boring place if everyone was alike. :-)
Posted by: Diane | Mar 26, 2008 12:48:53 PM
gretchen
Now ya'll good southern folks tell me to go fuck myself.
hello.........is this the right blog??
where do i call??
1800watchmedomyself
lMAO
serioeusley gretchen ok??
if do, make sure you go to stabucks first and get a carmel NO FAT milk latte , pour it all over yoruself lol then do it standing on your head!!! might as well make it interesting
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 1:11:10 PM
Gretchen
iam dead serious if that is possible on here with you!!
that post is one of your top 5 best posts
number one is still the MW drag queen post
#2 was the break at starbucks lol i forget the rest this last one might be 3?? you the dog and your guy in teh same bed lol
What a blog, where is iron dude??
gretchen i told you dint I that i was in Hanceville AL and i was told i was the darkest guy they had in town in 200 years lol and that i had the funniest accent they had ever heard on a mexican
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 1:17:01 PM
"i still loved the term gretchen used for gays"
refresh my memory agg
Posted by: Gretchen | Mar 26, 2008 1:45:01 PM
Very well said Gretchen! My Momma didn't raise me to use the N word and I didn't raise my kids to use it, so I get where your coming from with the truck load of punks. What I do believe in is that we all have our rights in U.S. some get offended to easy and demand things that have been in place for years be removed. Its all in the way you look at things and the way they are meant.
Posted by: Graceann | Mar 26, 2008 1:45:34 PM
Pickle Smoocher? I did call that jedi dude that way back when didn't I? LMAO!!! lost my little temper there on THAT one...lol!!!
MY favorite one of mine started out with something like....
First of all Poole's tits are so *@#)@_ big HE could score some beads in the infield at Dega....."
And one at Thanksgiving where I told SOMEONE to "just f**k right off" LMAO!!! WAAAYYYY too much Jack Daniles THAT day....whooo Hoooo
Posted by: Gretchen | Mar 26, 2008 1:48:59 PM
Ms G
Now ya'll good southern folks tell me to go fuck myself.
are u going to be wrapped in a flag first??
i forget which blog ....i got start a top 10 list for u
go back to the one with your guy coming from fishing and the mw drag queen voice coment LOL
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 1:55:20 PM
Gretchen you beat to teh punch
Pickle Smoocher?
that is it drag queen pickle smoocher
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 1:57:18 PM
Gretch,,
No road course in the Chase lady:)
I agree with you 150% on the flag and race issues. I am not a racist against a color of people. I am against stupidity. i dont care if you are white, black, yellow or green. you can still be stupid..
Kinda like you said "I dont owe anyone anything at all"..
When we go to Homestead we see the Jamacian flag alot. Does it offend me? Hell no, they are celebrating where they are from and immigrated from.
The only time I get ticked is when I see on the news our flag being burnt, ripped, and shredded by other countries..
So the confederate flag shows ones beliefs, there pride and who they are.
i could just rant but will say this then shut up. I have alot of black friends, do i care there black ? HELL NO, they are my friends, they are good people. its not skin color that makes someone Bad, its there actions and that goes for ANY RACE
While we are at it : J2, whats your take on Obamas preacher? Since the flag(confederate preaches hate) please explain why this guy doesnt>???????
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 26, 2008 1:58:57 PM
gretchen
First of all Poole's tits are so *@#)@_ big HE could score some beads in the infield at Dega....."
that one RIGHT new number one i forgot about that one!!
the BUCK THIRTY FIVE boy friend was funny, i was thinking mmmmm ok thats what 10 lbs more than a 2 45 plates and the 45 lb bar lol should be good for about a 15 rep warm lol
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 2:01:53 PM
k2
When we go to Homestead we see the Jamacian flag alot.
was their bob sled team there and the alpine ski team there??
The only time I get ticked is when I see on the news our flag being burnt, ripped, and shredded by other countries..
that one even though iam not american just
gets me ???????
then they come crying to the usa/u-nations for some hand out when they need food or cash or need help defending their borders........the one that get reallye motional on and riles me is the french and that no fly zone for us planes........did they forget there are 50,000+ american soldiers buried under their soil who died to help liberate that country!!! unreal how they did that to the usa!!
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 2:13:55 PM
had the funniest accent they had ever heard on a mexican
My Aunt is married to a French dude. He's been in the States for a long time. Dual citizenship even. I LOVE to hear him say "$hit". LOL!! Everything is a "Peice of $hit" or "is full of $hit" LMAO!! It sounds like Sheet but different. BIG emphasis on the i in $hit. Ha Ha. But, he's got a bit of a southern accent as well. It's soooo funny. He's like a French Bubba. But he's never been mistaken for a Mexican though...... But, it WAS in Alabama though,,,go figure
Posted by: Gretchen | Mar 26, 2008 2:15:37 PM
"did they forget there are 50,000+ american soldiers buried under their soil who died to help liberate that country!!! unreal how they did that to the usa!!"
Aun't husband gets peeeeoooosed with his folks about that .....
Posted by: Gretchen | Mar 26, 2008 2:18:17 PM
Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in Paris by plane.
At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his passport in his carry on.
'You have been to France before, monsieur?' the customs officer asked sarcastically.
Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France previously. 'Then you should know enough
to have your passport ready.' The American said, 'The last time I was here, I didn't have to show it.'
'Impossible. Americans always have to show your passports on arrival in France!'
The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard look. Then he quietly explained.
'Well, when I came ashore at Omaha Beach on D-Day in '44 to help liberate this country,
I couldn't find any damn Frenchmen to show it to.'
Posted by: Gretchen | Mar 26, 2008 2:21:37 PM
K2,
The Very Reverend Wright is a divisive character who is a disgrace to the civil rights movement and whose primary message is to play the victim and blame the white man/woman for what he perceives is wrong with our society. And any person who sat under his sermons and was a witness to these racist rants, as well as the Very Reverends certain denials associated with 9/11, for 20 years is not worthy to lead our great country.
This is one elderly character that I would exempt from the KASEY KAHNE free zone for the elderly in order for Kasey to give him his due comeuppance.
What say you K2 with respect to my comments?
Posted by: Jon2 | Mar 26, 2008 2:31:37 PM
Gretchen
yeah whats with that language shit even sounds pretty in fench.....
speaking of Peice of $hit" lol
that car story of yours made me think of that adam sandler song
gretchen and k2 its sing a long time wime with aggie
Piece of shit car
I got a piece of shit car
That fuckin' pile of shit
Never gets me very far
My car's a big piece of shit
'Cause the shocks are fucking shot
And my seatbelt's fucking broken
I got to tie it in a knot
(It's a piece of shit)
I can't see through the windshield
'Cause it's got a big fucking' crack
And the interior smells real bad
'Cause my friend puked in the back
(It's a piece of shit)
(Piece of shit car)
Piece of shit car
(He's got a piece of shit car)
It sucks royal dick
(That fuckin' pile of shit)
100% crap
(Never gets him very far)
Oh fuck you car
It's got no CD player, it only got the 8-track
Whoever designed my car can lick my sweaty nut sack
(They can bite his ass too)
And I got no fuckin' brakes
I'm always way out of control
Eleven times a day I hear "Hey, watch it asshole"
(You fuckin' piece of shit)
(Piece of shit car)
I got piece of shit car
(He got a piece of shit car)
Diesel gas sucks my ass
(That fuckin' pile of shit)
That pile of metal shit
(Never gets him very far)
Oh what the fuck did I do
What the fuck did I do
What the fuck did I do
To get stuck with you
You're too wide for drive-through
And you smell like the shoe
But I'm too broke to buy something new
Oh fuck me
Well the engine likes to flood
The car always fuckin' stalls
And the seat cushion's got a big rip
So a spring always pokes the balls
(Ouch, ouch, ouch)
Plus the door locks are busted
I gotta use a fucking coat hanger
(What a pain in his ass)
And if a girlie sees my car
There's no chance I'll ever bang her
(He never ever gets the pussy)
Hey shut up
(Piece of shit car)
You piece of shit car
(You got a piece of shit car)
You piece of shit car
(Piece of shit car)
Bald fuckin' tires
(You got a piece of shit car)
No rearview fucking mirror
(Piece of shit car)
Seven different colors
(You got a piece of shit car)
Fucking rag for a gas cap
(Piece of shit car)
Tailpipe makes the sparks fly everywhere
(You got a piece of shit car)
(Piece of shit car)
(You got a piece of shit car)
(Piece of shit car)
Oh the whole town thinks I'm a loser
(You got a piece of shit car)
Cabby give me a push
(Piece of shit car...)
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 2:58:04 PM
WOW, J2, you kinda chose the high road on that.
BTW thats a Mellencamp and Tritt song..."what say you"
Humm, so first you dont want to go there with 9/11 nor does Rev. Wright. I lost 5 people that day.
I hate to even think I am stating this but what makes Rev wright different from David Duke? IMO not a damn thing, total freaking scum both.one preaches black hate the other white hate?
All I hate if you want to know is :stupidity.. Flag burning, abuse of welfare, abuse of the elderly, animal abuse, spousal abuse, hitting a woman , the judical system that ALLOWS FRAGRANT BS LAWSUITS,and ignorance..
Nuff said....... Kathy if i was too political please delete that post and I will never take offense..:)
You needed to go there with Elmer Fudd too huh? too funny, he is dead in the water and went "POOF".
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 26, 2008 4:41:44 PM
k2
heading to get me a Bull Mastiff next week, found the girl I want to add to the Bassett and Jack Russell domain..
i hope your not some unrbanite and live in some bcahelor pad lol
K2 i see your well protected, remind me not to break into your place
if think of opening up a nascar kennel for folks to leave their pets at when their in NC touring the shops?? or races
you could have the pink 24-48 section, the vick area for ex cons
the jpm tanning area, or the #20 outhouses
or better yet auto lifting lids on their water dishes with RFR logos 17-16-6 no jamc or 99 ok 99 lid on the septic field lol
call it what?? k2's k9 kennels mmmmmmmmmmm KKK
LOL oooooooooops there goes the black market lol might be ok with b ball guys lol or pitchers lol KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
k2's k9 pit road/nascar garage nahnah brian would some royalties :(
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 4:48:02 PM
K2
BTW thats a Mellencamp and Tritt song..."what say you"
are you serious he knocked off the chorus?? beat?? really where is lime wire
you open this kennel and i want a cheque ok or i'll be like that chick suing opraaaaaaah
k2's k9 pet garage
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 4:50:51 PM
k2
ok i think u lost me but hey great songs
iam not country fan but it's a good song
i am jmcamp fan
4th of july by shooter jennings should Jr's theme for tona on July 4th
if there are 3 races id like to see JR win, well one especially is spring dega and 4th of july race and tona and fall dega
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 5:22:32 PM
K2 & aggie - I just starting getting into country music a couple of years ago (always was a rocker before). Love the Tritt/Mellencamp song. And aggie, 4th of July by Shooter Jennings in my favorite country song, probably because it really rocks.
Watched Mellengcamp (fellow Hoosier) inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame on VH1 the other night. Great show. You guys ever seen his wife? She's a model and really beautiful.
Wow - politics & music - I'm ready for some racing now.
K2 - I'll be watching that Braun boy you mentioned and the Wallace girl in the truck race Saturday. Hope they both do well.
Posted by: Diane | Mar 26, 2008 5:56:15 PM
gretchen
i almost forgot something
the true american spirit and what makes the usa great is that an ave person can be the best at something in the world a lot easier than in many countries and this was seen in france lots in the tour de france
to me the best day/days in france since 1944 were when greg lemond won the tour de france 3x and when lance armstrong won 7x of them and floyd landis won it once
2 guys were from bald flat states mn and tx who beat the best of the best on their roads and mountains
i think the tour de france is arguably the hardest sporting event for a human to win, 4000 k or 25oo miles in 21 days over every road imaginable in weather from 20 above in mountains some years to 100 above in valleys, or days of 120 mile ride at over 25 miles an hour
UNREAL EVENT......be like a nascar seson in 21days
BTW lemomd could have won 4-5 tours one
year was like kyb he had
team orders to help his team mate win
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 6:05:34 PM
dianne
Wow - politics & music - I'm ready for some racing now.
u missed cycling dogs/pets.... a woman having sex with herself, the flag patriotism humour, lil bashing of the french lol rfr and j mac of course
did we miss anything??
we ve whipped that jmas worse than a lazy mexican mule
LMAO
And aggie, 4th of July by Shooter Jennings in my favorite country song,
come on how small is the world
first song on my i pod's easy cruzzing play list NO BS
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 6:12:33 PM
aggie - well I guess I missed a few of the subjects being discussed LOL. All was very interesting, but as I said I'm ready for some racing.
You're right, it is a small World that both of us like that song since it's not very well known. But I love it :-)
Posted by: Diane | Mar 26, 2008 6:19:06 PM
Agg,
You been snowed in that igloo way to long. Put you some sleds on that Harley and take the Harley out for a sled ride.
Kurt2's KKK garage is to funny. Not racist Kennels yall.
Kurt2,
You may need to build a barn for that moose of a dog you are going to get. Get a little wagon and pile all the dogs and family in and let the moose take yall for a ride. Take everybody in the garage for a ride to. Hell, sale tickets every weekend for hay rides with the moose. Help to pay for his food.
Posted by: Deb | Mar 26, 2008 6:21:15 PM
Agg,
I forgot. Have you seen Shooters video to Walk Of Life? Just good redneck kind of stuff.
Posted by: Deb | Mar 26, 2008 6:38:58 PM
dianne
You're right, it is a small World that both of us like that song since it's not very well known. But I love it :-)
Posted by: Diane | Mar 26, 2008 6:19:06 PM
clients had them at a party in big bear lake ca and they were in sturgis in 06
you should see the line -up for halreys 105th and we've got kid rock back at our campground in sturgis yahooooooooo last time 70K people it was like eletcricity when he cam out u could lite a smoke
at harleys 100th they had elton john WELL you should have heard some of crowd.....sad day for sir elton pecker toucher john lol got lil nasty for the ole Pickle Smoocher lol
its a racing social comentary blog most days
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 6:40:15 PM
aggie - I also like Kid Rock. But what were the Harley guys thinking when they decided to have Elton John perform at th 100th? lol. Bad match-up if there ever was one.
Deb - The Walk of Life video is a hoot. Shooter is not a great singer but he's a good performer and his songs rock.
Posted by: Diane | Mar 26, 2008 6:59:48 PM
Ok dianne
bad match, it was like being married to pam anderson
i as thinking if pam anderson's marriage licenses come with terms like an invoice
net 30-90-120 days??
the corporate harleys guys back in 03 must be ex employees or are now at HMS?? i think
yeah in sturgis teh crowd was a mix of geezers like me and young people so it was wild
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 7:25:30 PM
k2
how the chase stat
after 5 races 75% of the top 12 end up in the final chase and you have 4 guys who were in year BUT are out of the top 12; ce jj jg and dn, one of these 3 wont make the chase and who will fall out ???
well ce has dropped 300 points lately OUCH .....going to be racer thin for 12-13 place
Posted by: aggie | Mar 26, 2008 9:31:35 PM
DUH!!! I Am a dummy but some of this stuff... I can not even read. Either get your sentences together and come up with a sentence or a phrase or don't post. Good Grief! I am not sure everything I post is spelled right, but I hope everybody can make sense out of it.
Posted by: 9fanatic | Mar 26, 2008 10:48:40 PM
9fanatic - Please don't take this so seriously. If you don't want to take the time to decipher some of what we say, just skip over it. Or just smile and laugh at us. :-).
Posted by: Diane | Mar 26, 2008 10:53:51 PM
Excellent post, Gretch. This Yankee would never tell you to GFY for that one.
POS car is one of my favorite songs. My former son-in-law had a car like that and it was his theme song.
A bull mastiff, K2? Time to buy stock in a dog food company. lol
Whoever thought Elton John was the right choice for a Harley event was a very misguided dork, Agg. Oy.
The Cat in the Hat usually has his mouth in motion before his mind is in gear. That's a pretty heavy allegation that will be interesting to follow.
In case anyone missed this you have to check it out.
http://www.blogged.com/directory/sports/motor-sports/nascar
We are #1! Congrats to Kathy and us!
Posted by: Barb G | Mar 26, 2008 11:26:40 PM
ROBBY GORDON lost a sponsor.."VANGUARD" ...I think they have something to do with "terrorism software" for your computer ....he said some things about the DAKAR race being cancelled and they thought his comments were inconsiderate..so they want over a million dollars of his contract back,as well as him to immediatley remove their name from his uniform and car...a million bucks is a big hit for him to take..
Posted by: EARNHARDT NATION | Mar 27, 2008 12:49:09 AM
If the allegation turns out to be true, some one will lose lots of money and deserves to be banned from the NASCAR for life.
Posted by: Jon | Mar 27, 2008 6:50:46 AM
WOW!!! Did this blog go off on a tangent, or what?! I'm still trying to figure out how Obama's preacher would change NASCAR, if he could. Or maybe he's the one who stole Jack Roush's prototype part, and had it wrapped up in a Confederate flag. All I know, is that if I could change one thing in NASCAR, I would get rid of the Lucky Dog rule, and make it that any car within a certain time behind the leader would get a lap back. Example: At the Superspeedways, possibly anyone up to 1 second behind the leader, and one lap or more down would get a lap back. At short tracks maybe have the time be half a second. This would also eliminate racing back to the flag.
Posted by: Smoke Fan | Mar 27, 2008 8:56:42 AM
Smoke fan,
"If your half a second behind the leader you would get a lap back"? That's the amount of time it takes to take off a damn lug nut in the pits...gimme a break!
Posted by: EARNHARDT NATION | Mar 27, 2008 10:10:46 AM
Jon - Below is a quote from a NASCAR reporter:
"If Roush felt like he really had a valid case that would result in some kind of legal victory, he would not have said a word until the papers had already been filed. So far, this looks like just another attempt at besmirching the young reputation of Toyota in stock car racing; nothing more, nothing less."
I've read several similar comments from other reporters. Maybe Jack "protests too much". Guess we'll all have to wait and see.
Posted by: Diane | Mar 27, 2008 10:13:35 AM
This was on Jayski:Toyota officials on Wednesday identified the Roush Fenway Racing part that owner Jack Roush said was found in a Toyota team's [supposedly MWR] possession during a Sprint Cup post-race teardown as a spring. Jim Aust, the president and chief executive officer of Toyota Racing Development, said once the part was found to belong to RFR that it was returned. He was uncertain how the part, discovered on a table with other Toyota parts, got there or from which team it came. "I don't understand the whole procedure when a teardown happens," said Aust, referring to a post-race process in which several cars are broken down by NASCAR inspectors. "The only thing I know is it wound up with parts we had and [which were] returned to Roush. "It's unfortunate it happened the way it did. It wasn't anything intentional. There's no reason to be done intentional. I have no idea how it happened to begin with." Roush Fenway president Geoff Smith said the part in question was not a spring, but he would not elaborate. No one at RFR has identified which Toyota team had the part. "Jack is the only one to talk to at this time and he presently doesn't want to make any additional comments," Smith said.(ESPN.com)(3-26-2008
Posted by: Graceann | Mar 27, 2008 10:25:50 AM
Kathy,
LOL, had a little time on your hands?
Good thoughts.
- Definitely no T35. The sport is called racing, not advertising. There should be no guarantees. If you're a top team and can't make the event, maybe you should try harder.
-Champs provisional. 3 to last years Champion and 1 to past champions. If last years champ even needs to use one then (see above) he should try harder. One provisional for past champs allows them to pick a favorite event and allows new fans, and old, to see a champ on the track.
- Sponsors. One sponsor needs to be exclusive, the gas man (some would say the tire guy too), for safety and fairness. If NASCAR wants to be considered a real sport it needs to stop selling its name. There's a reason we don't have a Nokia Football League, or a Sprint Stanley Cup. Those sports have pride in their histories. NASCAR has (Insert Newest Name) Racing.
LOL, you're wearing me out.
- Qualifying. How about 1 day 2 runs if needed? Unless you're bumped you don't get a second run. Yes, if someone bumps you during their 2nd run you get one chance to redo (see above..try harder).
I'm taking a break.
Posted by: Keith | Mar 27, 2008 11:32:48 AM
Re: Robby vs Vanguard. Ron Bailey bought a ride with Robby for Dakar because Robby plays to win. The ASO cancelled the rally and has rescheduled for April in Romania. Ron doesn't want to participate.
Since nobody knows what's in the contract between RG Off-Road and Vanguard any speculation is moot. IMHO Vanguard is on the wrong side of this one. Oh....and Robby Gordon Off-Road is a separate entity from RGM - NASCAR.
Posted by: Barb G | Mar 27, 2008 12:35:33 PM
Barb G - Read on Jayski that Gordon contends Vanguard cannot terminate the contract. Hope this goes in Robby's favor.
Posted by: Diane | Mar 27, 2008 12:56:56 PM
I for the life of me, have never been able to understand when Rob pissed in NASCAR's wheaties, how big was the bowl, how many wheaties did he soak, etc. to have had the luck he's had with NASCAR and with his other ventures. His partnership with Jim Beam seems to be the only thing that's worked in Robby's favor. Which royally sucks, IMHO. RG is a racer. Died in the wool hardcare racer, and I like him. I liked him BEFORE he bumped the 24 out of the way for his first win, LOL.
Posted by: Gretchen | Mar 27, 2008 1:44:57 PM
Guess Robby's comment equating Dakar's Al-Queda murders to what happens in Los Angeles on a daily basis didn't set to well with that particular sponsor.
If there were any Dakar cancellation refunds to RG's dune buggy division then Vanguard would've been entitled to a shared portion of those refunds.
Appears that Robby still felt he owed Vanguard something or he wouldn't have plastered their name on his CUP car.
Lesson: Don't let a sponsor dispute matter get to the point where it's aired in the public. Robby's ability to attract sponsor money is numbered in my opinion.
Posted by: Jon2 | Mar 27, 2008 1:51:24 PM
Its like whats wrong with Jack?????these distractions’ dont do a damm thing for his teams on the track just look at 99’s quick 300 points lost…… FOCUS jack,,,,,
OK and not get on an rcr banter box BUT
the winners in all this bull shit is RCR who just go about their business, race people fair clean and don’t have all the BS and HYPE of JGR and RFR or HMs with their woes........you just shake your head at all the BS with these 2 teams and one with the KYB hype
how can you not respect RCR’s 3 teams who go out and race clean (NO cheating scandals) every week...... other than the 29-20 incident of which both kh and ts showed real class and left all the bs at bristol and remain friends
Jack is a smart man why he is getting into this pissing match with TRD is ???????? to me
Listen Jack ford just dumped Jag to some india car co.....the Brits must be going crazzzzzy!!!!!! ford sold it for a 1/3 of what they paid for it,
Now your guy on the line at plant facing a lay off and you ehar about the millions out into cup and soon start to re think about whats more important to u , ford feeding &&& to jack racing or you feeding your family
Posted by: aggie | Mar 27, 2008 2:29:52 PM
deb
I forgot. Have you seen Shooters
yeah B52 lol
smoke fan
I'm still trying to figure out how Obama's preacher would change NASCAR, if he could. Or maybe he's the one who stole Jack Roush's prototype part, and had it wrapped up in a Confederate flag.
this is why i love this place
whats the old saying never dicuss sex politics and religion, mmmmmmmmm ok 2 out of 3, nobodys' perfect
iam still waiting to see a real female not a heshe to GFY with no toys lol
Posted by: aggie | Mar 27, 2008 2:37:54 PM
Yeah you nailed it Jim beam, Charter, Verizon must suck as a sponsors...
vanguard tech must suck toooo....
poor him..
LMAO, y\ep in a mood
Posted by: Kurt2 | Mar 27, 2008 2:39:44 PM
I heard that the lawsuit against Robbie was tossed out by a Judge...GO ROBBY!
This pissing match with RFR and TRD is over a an F'n spring?? Give me a break Jack, what are they sodium filled Jack? Good God man!
K2 who was squalin' about RCR's alleged laser cut rims...please don't say the "Ass in the Hat"!
AWSOME KAT! #1!
Posted by: Fan #5 | Mar 27, 2008 3:15:16 PM
Aggie, You nailed it! The guys hubby works with question it daily. They have been struggling for awhile and though a lot are NASCAR fans and love to see the FORD teams do well when it comes down to their jobs they ?????. Things are still pretty unstable even after 2nd buyout and the plant hubby is at was once the main money maker, now its looking at maybe going to 1 shift for a while.
Posted by: Graceann | Mar 27, 2008 3:17:02 PM
F5
"Ass in the Hat"!
i have a ton of respect for all these owners but sometimes u have to wonder about a few......the fans will turn on RFR
good one!!
K2 and di
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