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September 28, 2008
Good finish to a so-so race
The race was fairly ho-hum for the most part until the end. I didn't think Edwards had enough, but somehow he charged up on Johnson and passed him. Unfortunately bouncing off the wall slowed his progress and Johnson got the win. While I'm not a fan of either of them, I was hoping that Edwards would have pulled it off.
Kyle Busch had troubles again, they thought it was the engine again, but he was able to finish the race. Bowyer had some bad luck also, but only lost one spot in the standings. His first trouble was on the start when he passed before the start/finish line, later in the race he was caught speeding going in and out of pits. Luckily for him, neither one of the penalties really hurt him.
Good finishes again for Harvick and Burton, who both started in the back of the pack and had a 6th and 7th place finish.
Johnson and Edwards swapped the points lead with Johnson's win, Johnson is 10 points ahead of Edwards with Biffle 30 points behind Johnson, everyone else is over 100 points behind.
Next week shall be interesting at Dega to see how much of a shakeup it'll provide for the points.
Your thoughts?
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Aggie, it's why it's long past time for NASCAR to step in, force open teams' books, and limit their spending to no more than $30 million for a three-car team and make the teams share revenue with each other. Spending caps and revenue sharing work in all sports; bring them to racing.
DJ, it's called out of sight, out of mind.
Barb G - he didn't get another ride because he didn't ask for one and was forgotten. He ran good in the first quarter of 2002 before being fired, for no reason. Get the facts straight before spouting off.
Posted by: Mike Daly | Oct 2, 2008 6:24:56 PM
dotiie
I'm sure R.C. would hate to see
DEI go under.
these teams when they are selling off get what 10 cents on the dollar, probably the same they paid ginn racing for its assests
what did the coach once say the drivers have it made they employ what driver pilot pr/agent and make 6-12-20 million, i employ 450 people and dont make that
its a ??? business model these nascar teams
Posted by: aggie | Oct 2, 2008 11:02:40 AM
f5
Oh What a Feeling
is that new dodge jingle??
good one should be wild and as always its sad day for some
Posted by: aggie | Oct 2, 2008 10:56:23 AM
I understand Daly...but like I said,why didn't he get another shot at Cup?
Good news GA for you and family!
I think the move to Yates is only a lateral move for PM.It will help Yates org out but will it help PM.I just keep wondering if these lower tier teams that are getting help from HMS,Roush or JGR,why are they still running mediocre at best?I'm not putting it on the drivers but a little bit.They got talent enough to run better with better equipment.
Gas is out in the Charlotte area pretty much.We have had a few pumps closed here near the Rock.What a damn mess everything is.Let's hope whoever gets elected they will help right the ship.
Back to bed/potty patrol....
Posted by: DJ | Oct 1, 2008 10:06:32 AM
Whoo Hooo!!!! Great news!!!! Nephew's tour is canceled he is coming back to states!!! Whooo Hoo!! Talk about what a feeling!! Happy dance!! On top of that camper is loaded ready for Talladega, hubby leaving with the men in the morning, women leaving friday, Whoo Hoo!! Ok F5 what's going on don't leave me hanging' its gonna be a beautiful day!! Tell me this All-State Lady can't wait!!
Posted by: Graceann | Oct 1, 2008 9:23:45 AM
Big News in the pipeline, Closed Circuit to the Allstate girls KK will be back in contention next season, and hopefully more good news for Dinger!...Oh What a Feeling
Posted by: Fan #5 | Oct 1, 2008 8:47:27 AM
Thresa and staff have some big problems on
their hands and I'm hoping they can work
things out and be competitive. JMO, but I
think Paul Menard thought moving to another
team would give him an opportunity to be-
come a better driver but DEI has lost a
multimillion dollar sponsorship and that
hurts. DEI is left with one full sponsor in
Bass Pro Shops for M.T.Jr and he's only
agreed to a one year extension. Aric A. will
drive the #8 but rumors are the U.S. Army
will leave at the end of this year and will
sponsor Smoke's new team so that leaves A.A.
without a sponsor. Then there's Regan Smith
he's had limited sponsorship all season. It
seems things at DEI have gone from good to
bad since Dale Sr. passed away. I'm hoping
Thresa/Staff can get things rolling again at
DEI.
Kurt2
Do you think, RCR can and will help DEI in
some way? R.C. and Dale Sr. were great
friends and I'm sure R.C. would hate to see
DEI go under. Can you give us any input on
this?
Posted by: Dottie | Oct 1, 2008 2:35:00 AM
Bingo DJ! Buttsnot has no ride because he sucked. Period. Having a pissing match with D-ingaling is like trying to teach a pig to sing. U-S-E-L-E-S-S Bless your heart with this lovely flu. It hasn't hit here yet but it's a little early. We'll get our turn eventually.
DEI looks to be heading for museum status. Paul might not be all that great but who would ever know it considering the crap he's been driving? TE was the head-for-business partner in her partnership/marriage but the buck stopped with Big E. He knew racing and racers and where to put the bucks. DEI hasn't been competitive since Big E left us. Crap in, crap out. Comments from the US Army are not encouraging.
Good move taking Sliced Bread out of that car. Yes, it was a good lesson in humility but it's not good for a youngster's psyche. Remember Casey Atwood?
Big E was hardly a great qualifier, K2, but he always got the job done one way or the other. Anybody who disses the #29 and #31 hasn't been paying attention.
Posted by: Barb G | Oct 1, 2008 1:33:27 AM
DJ, I'm defending Buckshot because he got blackballed by Kyle Petty. He ran good but then got fred - it helped illstrate how poorly Kyle was running the organization at the time, befre Richard finally had enough and brought back Loomis. As for K2, he's arguing because he's not man enough to ever admit when he's wrong, which is a lot.
Deb, Buckshot ran good in 2002 before he got blackballed. Citing Randy LaJoie, the bully who instigated that whole feud and acted shocked and surpried that Buckshot actually hit back, is not credible.
Posted by: Mike Daly | Sep 30, 2008 11:36:44 PM
dj and f5
yeah 1/2 a loaf is better than no loaf where iam from
its sad what she is doing there......its like graceland all over and she wont make 5 years without jr
deb what with that drive to bama and tn lots of gas come there are now gas haulers down there?? i saw that and iam like WTF is that la back in and 74 lol
Posted by: aggie | Sep 30, 2008 11:26:55 PM
Deb
It's got to be rough when you can't even buy
gas. I understand there are some states
that have the same problem. In Michigan we
don't have a problem but I wish there was
something we could do to help you. It's got
to be a problem for people getting to and
from work. Hope everything gets back to
normal soon.
Posted by: Dottie | Sep 30, 2008 11:06:00 PM
Daly,
Buckshot didn't do crap in Cup. He only won 1 or maybe 2 races in Busch and he wasn't crap without his Daddy, kinda like Menard. Ask Randy Lajoie how much he likes Buckshot. They were fighting all the time.
DJ,
I'll take your Flu if you can give me some gas. We are hurtin really bad here in Atl with NO GAS. I don't go anywhere if it's more than 10 miles away. I have 1/2 tank and it's got to last as long as I can make it last. On the news tonight, if you are driving to Dega and you need gas in Atl then you might be shit out of luck!!!
Posted by: Deb | Sep 30, 2008 10:34:22 PM
I have ragged on Paul Menard in the past but maybe his lack of performance is something beyond his control. Maybe a change will do him some good. Its hard to believe how far DEI has fallen.
Posted by: 68 ss camaro | Sep 30, 2008 8:30:46 PM
DJ, I'm just gettin' over it...Boy I wanna do that again! I raced with Paul and Charlie up on the Midwest, and tho Dad has money, hanging around em you never know it, I don't know what the hell is wrong over at DEI...But Tony was right, It's gonna be shrine.
Posted by: Fan #5 | Sep 30, 2008 7:58:31 PM
K2...why are you even bothering argueing with Daly?You know it is a waste,and it's over Buckshot.We all know he sucked.If he didn't he would have got another shot somewhere.Personally,I pulled for him...but,your right he didn't cut it.Now I will agree with Daly on the signing of Fittipali and releasing of Andretti.Not sure why he is defending Buckshot....I guess just to argue with you!LOL!!
G...right on with Menard.Thing is give him another 3 years in the sport and he may get a top 5.The only way he wins is like alot of one time winners...at Dega.I hate silver spoons.
DEI is in trouble and it started with the most popular driver in Nascar couldn't get what he wanted.IMO,the writing was on the wall then.Stupid move by Teresa,whether it was right or wrong.You don't let that $$$ go away and especially to the enemy.But MT wishes he had another couple of months to make a decision......
Not sure how the FLU is in ya'll area,but it jumped on my ass last nite and it is soooo much fun.......
Posted by: DJ | Sep 30, 2008 6:36:45 PM
Diane
The Army is also gone from DEI for 2009. Jayski is reporting that the Army sponsorship is going to the SHR #39.
i know and its just hillarious they are going to a team with an owner in jail and the army is the govt. might as well be sponsered by the guard's union in us jails
smoke and the army will be great just like they have in the nhra
sargent smoke lol marketing dream i tell yah dianne
Posted by: aggie | Sep 30, 2008 6:14:27 PM
gretchen
Yeah aggie. I agree with you about one thing. The first damn thing leaving a sinking ship ARE THE RATS.
i thought was only a navy saying up here ??
if mt hr could have weaseled his way out of that contract, he would be the 3 rd car at shr or ar rcr...... i think thru his dad he is really well connected at bass proshops...... the branding of him and bass
of what left of the litter its hard 2 believe that cryfield with his 2 chase apprences is till a decent free agent for somebody
the guy is like lazarus in the bible and just comes back
Posted by: aggie | Sep 30, 2008 6:09:22 PM
Kurt2, the stats say nothing; the actual races tell the story. You obviously did not see the high number of cars he passed in the handful of races before he was fired. I did; I watch these races, I saw him race people - you weren't watching. And no, it wasn't Richard and Kyle jointly agreeing - Kyle was running things at the time and it was his call, as shown by Pemberton's experience there that season.
I didn't get gonged, Kurt, you just got bonged - again.
Diane - I said he was PRODUCING and that it was a mistake letting him go. He was becoming a good driver; they should have kept him; letting him go was in keeping with Kyle's poor handling of personnel until Richard had enough and brought Loomis back to the team.
On RCR, you're the one kidding me. Where is the muscle RCR is supposed to have? It isn't there. They finish well; they don't show close to the fight of JGR or Hendrick or Roush. Are you WATCHING these races? Where is the push to get the lead by any of the RCR cars?
Posted by: Mike Daly | Sep 30, 2008 6:01:45 PM
Gretchen - The Army is also gone from DEI for 2009. Jayski is reporting that the Army sponsorship is going to the SHR #39. I feel bad for DEI. The Army said they didn't even want to negotiate with them. Hope they can find sponsors for Almirola and Smith.
I also feel sorry for Logano. He's been booted from the #96. Ken Schrader will probably drive it for the rest of the season. It's pretty bad when you're not even wanted in that car.
Posted by: Diane | Sep 30, 2008 5:24:38 PM
I really hope Teresa can find away too pull threw this and keep DEI going. I think it is sad the way the public perception is destroying that company.
Posted by: stacey | Sep 30, 2008 5:00:12 PM
On Menard going to Yates:
To sort of borrow from BarbG. When you combine shitty with shittier, you get one humongo pile of manure. Paul Menard will always have a CUP ride because he has his very own multi-million dollar sponsor. He has had a mediocre career. Well, not even mediocre, really. But....we will see he and that stupid plug of facial hair for years to come because of his "sponsor" i.e. daddy.
Yes, MTj would have bolted too, but he valued himself WAY too much. But what sucks, is that of the two- HE is the more talented one, and couldn't go elsewhere.
And what's even more f****d up is that DEI- because of PM's "sponsor" can not even boot his a$$ and audition another driver for the ride- if they can even field 4 damn cars next year.
I AM proud of TE for standing up to my boy and his prima donna self, BUT goddamnit( take THAT tid bit of religious blasphemy JGR) she and that company have paid the price for it.
You don't mix business with family---and Petty is proof of THAT tid bit of info as well.
Yeah aggie. I agree with you about one thing. The first damn thing leaving a sinking ship ARE THE RATS.
Posted by: Gretchen | Sep 30, 2008 4:55:20 PM
Daly - You say that leading laps and winning races is the true sign of a good driver. So I'm puzzled at your defense of Buckshot Jones.
According to Patty Petty this is one of the times you're wrong.
IMO Harvick and Burton are among the top ten drivers in Cup today.
Posted by: Diane | Sep 30, 2008 2:51:56 PM
Sorry Daly,
"As for RCR, the 31 and 29 are ONLY hanging on in top-5 in points; I don't put that much stock in that because this points system still rewards mediocrity, not muscle. You obviously don't know the difference. For once get a damned clue. "
You have to be kidding me? As you said to Diane, you have been wrong on "some things" but tis irrelavant????
Who died and made you the NASCAR HALL OF FAME KEEPER? I doubt NASCAR sought you for the position , with all the stuff you spew.
The King and Kyle agreed jointly to let Buskshot go... Or unless that mean Patty is lying to my face. Which I doubt a woman of that much class has ever done to anyone. I took your "belief" there and asked..
You got "GONGED"
Here are you boys stats Daly.
2001- 0 wins, 0 Top 5's, 0 Top 10's, Lead 2 laps out of 7,819.
AVG Start-31.6
AVG FINISH-32.9
So yeah thats a damn great record. In 02 he went
AVG START- 27.1
AVG Finish-27.7
HE got 1 TOP 10 in 98..
Thats a damn great driver Daly whom somone wants to "keep in the fold"
ON RCR, while the 31 and 29 do NOT always qual well they have been a factor for every race this year. So its consistnecy, not straight muscle as you would have the world believe.
I guess Jeff Burton needs to retire and head to the NC Senate seat , since he is only a mediocre driver??? LMFAO at that.
the 29 and 31 have been there this year all YEAR.Thats what makes a Chase contender.
Let me guess you are a Mayfield fan as well:)
Posted by: Kurt2 | Sep 30, 2008 1:52:58 PM
Exile, the person who has actually been a successful governor and actually understands how to lead as well as understand real people - The Man On The Way Up has none of that, as shown by his serial cluelessness on the campaign trail and when asked to actually make constructive decisions.
Posted by: Mike Daly | Sep 30, 2008 1:18:18 PM
Kurt2, he performed in 2002 before he was fired; he ran competitively at Vegas, Atlanta, Darlington, and Texas before being axed before Talladega. He was let go by Kyle, not Richard - Kyle was the one running the organization then; Richard had handed over day-to-day control to Kyle after the 1999 season, and if you've ever read Robin Pemberton's quotes about why he left after 2002 it was because "Kyle did not want to let go" - and it was a mistake; he should have stayed in the #44 because the combination was coming around.
As for RCR, the 31 and 29 are ONLY hanging on in top-5 in points; I don't put that much stock in that because this points system still rewards mediocrity, not muscle. You obviously don't know the difference. For once get a damned clue.
Diane, of course I've been wrong on some things - is that relevent to anything here?
Posted by: Mike Daly | Sep 30, 2008 1:15:36 PM
exile
write in tina fey for president already
Posted by: aggie | Sep 30, 2008 12:31:14 PM
ex
and who's africian minister chases them away for
i never doubted your political expertise or sanity
but i just had to run check that out
remind me not to run for politics in usa and ex i dont your a repulican now
Posted by: aggie | Sep 30, 2008 11:58:52 AM
68ss
iam just catching up on bb and i think he is in the running, its one of the best feel good stories in sports in the last 20 years.
exile and all the political yahoos
iam not trying to stir the put but trying to be objective OK
its funny how these us campaigns and some events and how some thing stand out that might have hurt the losers like the pic od mike dukakis sticking his head out of that tank
now this SNL skit with tina fay seems to be doing the same to pallin
they are now trying to coach her to death in 3 days for this debate should be interesting
k2
is menard guy leaving is it big news or old news from last year after jr left??
i know u have a soft spot for dei BUTBUT god if mt jr had been able to leave which he will do in 09 and MM leaving for hms.......as we say up here DEI is up going up shit creek with no paddles
Posted by: aggie | Sep 30, 2008 10:18:50 AM
Aggie,
The Cincy Reds had Josh Hamilton last year and you could tell he was something special. I was certain he would be the replacement for Griffey Jr. in centerfield but they went and traded him to the Rangers. At least they got a very good young pitcher in the trade but they still suck.
Posted by: 68 ss camaro | Sep 29, 2008 9:55:23 PM
k2k2
So Menard is Leaving DEI for Yates
who are the first ones to leave a sinking ship??
the RATs
Posted by: aggie | Sep 29, 2008 9:27:00 PM
k2
Diane,folks are going to diss Kyle period , point is , he is like EVERY other driver and doesnt give a crap..
and when they cash their cheques iam sure the bank tellers NEVER ask them how their fans are or how loud were the boos
get the forks out ?????
F&&&K THAT and get one of those kabob skewers out we have enough to make a jgr & hms sish-kaboob skewer, now with the 11 18 88 20-24 and make marinate it in a lil 07 suace
Posted by: aggie | Sep 29, 2008 9:25:34 PM
So Menard is Leaving DEI for Yates..That doesn't sound good for DEI I hope they have a plan. 4 cars in the top 35 but only one fulltime sponsor. doesn't sound promising.
Posted by: stacey | Sep 29, 2008 8:49:58 PM
K2
After Dover I counted everyone outside the
top three out and it looks like it's real-
istically come down to just Johnson and
Edwards.
What, there's (7) races left, are we going
to count the Biff out so soon? I believe any
thing can happen in the next seven races. JJ
and CE could have problems and Biff is 3rd.
and only 30 points out of first place. Biff
has to hold his ground for 3rd. just in case
there is problems for JJ and CE. This is
JMO.
Posted by: Dottie | Sep 29, 2008 8:48:20 PM
did i read RIGHT the repulicans are tuning on sarah and want mac to dump here??
WTF is going on now besides teh rest of the bs down there??
Posted by: aggie |
oh
you mean that person from alaska who "is like a foreign relations expert cause she can almost see russia and on the right side of her state there's... canada which is actually a foreign country too ya know."
so this idiot who believes in witchs flying around in the air over a town near you, and who's africian minister chases them away for a small fee is the best y'all neo cons can do ??
maybe mccain can dump ol' stupid and pick up buckshot for vp. then you would have 00 and plain ol zero all in one place.
Posted by: exile on falin palin street | Sep 29, 2008 8:46:39 PM
Daly,
"I counted RCR out long before the Chase started because the muscle they had in 2006 is just not there anymore. After Dover I counted everyone outside the top three out and it looks like it's realistically come down to just Johnson and Edwards.
Kurt2, he was starting to produce for the Petty team when Kyle fired him. It was a stupid move on Kyle's part to have fired him.
Posted by: Mike Daly | Sep 29, 2008 6:02:32 PM"
RCR has no muscle now? Damn man we arent on Pocohell, and you still argue.
So I guess the 31 and 29 are little asses hanging in the TOP 5 i points???? Damn I need what you are one.
Buckshot performed when? He came around when? He was let go by RICHARD HIMSELF.. I see he had a wonderful career after that.. Wow, he didnt. NOT a owner in the garage wanted him. But in your opinion , he as the damn best? Not. Since Richard P left the best has been Bobby L hands down..
Posted by: Kurt2 | Sep 29, 2008 7:29:12 PM
Diane & Graceann
This season is coming to an end and lets
hope the 2009 season will bring Smoke and
KK better luck. Wouldn't it be great if
Smoke had a 3rd. car and put KK in it?
Posted by: Dottie | Sep 29, 2008 7:04:51 PM
Graceann
I read the article in Rolling Stone, I think
the writer went over the top.
Graceann, excellent comments and I agree
with you 100%.
Posted by: Dottie | Sep 29, 2008 6:52:02 PM
ENation - Thanks for your response and I wasn't dissing Jr. at all.
Daly - Have you EVER in your LIFE been WRONG about ANYTHING?
Graceann - Tony admitted that some of the things written in the Rolling Stone article were things he said during a "frat boy" type conversation. But he didn't apologize for any of it. I love his attitude.
Posted by: Diane | Sep 29, 2008 6:41:23 PM
I read the article in Rolling Stone, I think the writer went over the top. I also listened to Tony on his radio show saying it almost cost him a sponsor before they sponsored his first race. They were talking with Edwards and Kyle Busch about how the media blows everything out of proportion. So whether you choose to believe everything you read about the drivers that puts them in a bad light, that's up to you. As far Tony acting childish, I don't think so. I think Tony is human, he expresses how he feels. He doesn't try to hide who he is nor does he try to be something he is not. So if you ask me if I would rather have a phony liar goody two shoes for a favorite driver that bends over and does what the owner tells them to do, the answer is no. I would rather have a driver that I know is gonna be honest by being him self, helping his hometown, standing up for what he feels is right or wrong around him, and if he feels like telling a reporter to get the hell out of his face then so be it. At least I knew it was coming. One thing should be made clear though, what Tony Stewart, Kyle Busch, Denny Hamlin or any employee of JGR does should no way have any affect on either Gibb characters. They both are very respectable men who have always let their beliefs and what they stand for be known.
Posted by: Graceann | Sep 29, 2008 6:15:53 PM
I counted RCR out long before the Chase started because the muscle they had in 2006 is just not there anymore. After Dover I counted everyone outside the top three out and it looks like it's realistically come down to just Johnson and Edwards.
Kurt2, he was starting to produce for the Petty team when Kyle fired him. It was a stupid move on Kyle's part to have fired him.
Posted by: Mike Daly | Sep 29, 2008 6:02:32 PM
Dianne,
I can't argue with your opinion on JUNIOR,cuz there's alotta truth to it...
I suppose my only defense would be JUNIOR never said he was gonna give up by saying his running for the CHASE was "over"..
But you've said nothing but the truth on JUNIOR's words from earlier in the year.
Posted by: EARNHARDT NATION | Sep 29, 2008 5:53:53 PM
Diane,
Great post period..
Not sure if JD Gibbs and Joes beliefs NEED to be on the 11, 18, and the 20. It is what it is.
When Richard C is pissed you get called to go hunting with him or to the house. Thats never a good thing, but it works out. Kinda the same if you ask me. JGR "provides" that service to the employees and thats fine. Not like JD doesnt struggle with his sons issues daily, and yes they both are VERY standup respectable people.(Joe and JD).
The fork was placed in the 18 and 11 last week Aggie, Smoke might get a win but not in contention. This weekend makes or breaks a bunch of folks.You could see 2 to 3 more get a -Done comment after Dega.
Diane,folks are going to diss Kyle period , point is , he is like EVERY other driver and doesnt give a crap..
AS Diane said, there is not a driver whom doesnt complain and bitch on the radio. NONE>. If you arent, you might as well quit..
Wanted to give a shout out to the 31 member for getting that TACH in the car so fast in the race.... Good job..
Please folks count RCR out. PLease
Posted by: Kurt2 | Sep 29, 2008 5:47:01 PM
Dianne
I hope "sliced bread" doesn't turn into "burnt toast".
that is the post of the month, on a4 slice toaster he is in one slot and done on both sides
k2 can we put a FORK in the 11 20 18 year?? they are done baby!!
now that would be cool if on one those cooking/grill shows they were doing steaks shaped and numbered like these cars and serving them each week lol
Posted by: aggie | Sep 29, 2008 5:20:54 PM
dianne
Sorry for the long post. :)
sorrrrrrrry loved it, its a good sparing session or knocking a full set of bowling pins :)
were i tears like me seeing smoke in teh pits that long........if he wasnt fumming man i'd like to hire his anger managment coach!!
Posted by: aggie | Sep 29, 2008 5:13:41 PM
Earnhardt Nation - I appreciate your opinion of KyB. So I hope you will appreciate mine. I'm a BIG fan of Dale Jrs. But I remember a race this year when he was on the radio asking someone to keep him pumped up (or some such words). It sounded like he was having trouble giving 100% in that race. He's also said many, many things over the radio that were "childish and highly inexcusable". Most of the drivers say things they shouldn't.
I understand everyone dissing on KyB when he was winning. It's just not my nature to kick someone when he's down because of things he had no control over.
Dottie - I'm crying right along with you. All we can hope for now is that Tony gets a win before the end of the year. I agree that the 5 car had a good day. And kudos to RCR.
RCR29 - Sorry but I wouldn't want to be interviewed by Spake either. If these reporters could ask some intelligent questions, they wouldn't get sarcastic answers.
F5 - The difference between Kyle and Tony's post race interviews is that Tony's been slipping out without giving them. LOL.
DJ - I was going to comment on how terrible A.J. has been treated, but you said it best.
Redneck 4 - IMO it would be a disaster to separate the two Juniors.
K2 - I agree about the PC crap and the mic in the face. Does the media have this kind of access immediately after the competition in any other sport? I don't think so.
aggie - I guess we'll know about Palin and Biden after the debate on Thursday night.
Graceann - Great post on JGR, Stewart and for praising his charity work. Everyone I know has a good side and bad side. The drivers are just like the rest of us.
Michael - A preacher promotes Christian beliefs and actions. But not everyone in his congregation always lives up to those beliefs. Same with JGR.
Raines can't drive the 96, gets fired. Yeley can't drive the 96, gets fired. Logano can't drive the 96, gets to drive one of the best cars in Cup next year. I hope "sliced bread" doesn't turn into "burnt toast".
Sorry for the long post. :)
Posted by: Diane | Sep 29, 2008 5:05:59 PM
Mr Daly
aggie, no you didn't read that right. Sarah is solid with McCain; it's Shmoe Biden who's going to be dropped as VP candidate.
love to fax it to you i am lousey with a scanner ......its quite funny and hey i cant vote so makes no diff to me
let me see if i can get u the link, it an ap story in the local paper up here
Posted by: aggie | Sep 29, 2008 4:42:13 PM
Micheal
good points you bring up on smoke
Tony Stewart has many times put himself out in the public in a way that is not in line with the Gibbs organization
read the 2 articles in rolling stone and mens journal and u almost say how the heck did smoke( #1 major poon hound) last 10 years at JGR???
also
I also think he on many occassions is childish and an embarassement to himself and his team
he then you look at jr at 32 and his boss has to come on the radio and give him a verbal soother to calm him down
K2
best like yesterday was BONO to mt jr
STF you wiish he had said and did say "just drive the car ok"
Posted by: aggie | Sep 29, 2008 4:38:51 PM
"Managerially, Kyle had screwed up already by firing Buckshot Jones even though Jones was starting to run up front more consistently"
Umm that was the smartest thing he ever did is lose him. Since he was fired and went on to have a stellar career elsewhere....!!!! NOT..
OPPS forgot total BS if JUan Peablow DOES NOT get additional penalties.
Posted by: Kurt2 | Sep 29, 2008 4:21:13 PM
Graceann,
JD Gibbs and the Gibbs family emphasizes his beliefs etc. on that company. You may not know they employ a full time pastor. Gibbs has said it many times on how they pride themselves on it and how they approach business. Which is fine. That's there business.
Tony Stewart has many times put himself out in the public in a way that is not in line with the Gibbs organization. I can add my opinion of what I think of Tony Stewart based on his actions. He does it. Just like you do on topics every day in your life. I am very well aware of Tony's charitable contriubtions. I am also very well aware of his long history of confrontations, with drivers, reporters and officials. I would suggest reading the rolling stones interview he gave recently for more insight to Tony.
I like Tony, I like his driving style, but I also think he on many occassions is childish and an embarassement to himself and his team.
They are adults and can do whatever they want. I just personally have found it funny over the years that out of one mouth they talk character and morals, and out the other they look the other way to Tony's indiscretions.
Posted by: Michael | Sep 29, 2008 2:37:37 PM
aggie, no you didn't read that right. Sarah is solid with McCain; it's Shmoe Biden who's going to be dropped as VP candidate.
Michael, Kyle left in 1985 because the team ran out of money and shut down other than a few races early that season. Richard, however, seeing that Mike Curb's connection to Dan Gurney's engine shop for 1985 was becoming a fiasco, spent his own money to reopen PE's engine shop; at Charlotte he brought an engine built by Kenny Wilson (one of Chief's lieutenants if I remember correctly) and it ran better than Gurney's engines, but Curb told Petty not to run it. Petty thus decided to reopen Petty Enterprises in 1986.
The present-day deal with Kyle is more complex. It involves several issues - first is the insane resource gap in the sport. Second is the incompetence of management by Stuttgart of the entire Dodge program - the teams were all supposed to work together (the same thing done between Petty and the other Pontiacs 1994-99 and the Dodge Trucks 1996-2000) but from the start of 2001 Stuttgart undercut Lou Patane and let the teams drift quickly into little fiefdoms, with first Evernham (and to a somewhat lesser extent Ganassi) and later Penske becoming the darling children of the fleet; it led to the fiasco of the loss of Bill Davis Racing from the Dodge effort.
And finally there is Kyle himself. First his driving had been good in 1997, slumped in 1998, then rebounded to a competitive level in 1999, but all this decade long he not only never got better, he regressed horribly to where he never passed a single car in ANY race (contrast this with Chad McCumbee, John Andretti, and Boris Said when they drove the #45). Managerially he took over day-to-day ops at PE at the end of 1999. In 2002 after a miserable 2001 Petty hired Robin Pemberton to take over, and the team began improving, but Pemberton began installing satellite equipment and hiring engineers to boost the team's engineering effort to a level he'd worked with at Penske. He was starting to spend money the team didn't have, but Kyle in December that year undercut Pemberton by summoning him to his office and telling Pemberton, "We're not going in that direction." When Pemberton noted he'd hired Nelson Cosgrove and another engineer already, Kyle told him they were not needed and not to bring them to the organization. Furious, Pemberton quit the team. "Kyle did not want to let go," was Pemberton's summation of why it didn't work out even though it was beginning to.
Managerially, Kyle had screwed up already by firing Buckshot Jones even though Jones was starting to run up front more consistently; he then released John Andretti after the 2003 Pocono 500 and signed Christian Fittipaldi even though there was no sponsorship for a third car. Kyle also shuffled crew chiefs between his own car and the #43 to an absurd extent.
Richard finally had enough and got Robbie Loomis back to the team to run it; Richard then looked for the investor he knew the team needed to get better, and found it in Boston Ventures.
It's truly sad that it came to this, but Petty Enterprises needs to be running to win and Kyle has shown all decade that he can't be part of the solution.
Posted by: Mike Daly | Sep 29, 2008 2:04:31 PM
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