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Stewart Hass and their future
Depending on who is going to be Tony's teammate (Ryan Newman), I figure SH to be a pretty good team next year. I think they have some up hill battles to fight but i think with two good drivers they can make it. My question is this: How far down is the Hendrick Stewart connection going to run. Everyone knows that the Hass Hendrick connection is there just like the hall of fame Gibbs connection. Come Race day though, how much do you think Hendrick is really going to help SH. For instance, do you really think SH is going to get the car, motors, etc. that are better than the ones that the 24, 48, and 88 get. Meaning, if Hendrick builds 3 great motors and 3 decent motors, who do think is getting the good ones and who do you think will take the others. Hendrick wont put his own teams in jeopardy to help out a competitor. Its just my opinion but I think SH better keep a good eye on what kind of help they are getting and how deep the relationship goes. Now, I don't know all the details of what info is shared between the two companies but i do know that Rick Hendrick and Jack Rousch and Joe Gibbs are no idiots. All the teams that are so called affiliated with them don't run near as good as there own. You figure it out. Just a thought.
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So Newman is going to SHR. BOOOO! Lateral move from Penske, no improvement. At least Penske doesn't get second hand engines. As a Ryan Newman fan, this is very disappointing that in his contract year coming in his prime, he doesnt go to RCR or JGR, but to a startup team. Well, here goes another two or three years with no Chase appearances.
Posted by: keith12 | Aug 8, 2008 1:46:59 PM
HMS and Haas are already affiliated...and the Haas team isn't nearly up to the level HMS is. I don't think HMS is going to "help" out Stewart/Haas any more than they do now. I think the main thing that will help SH is the people that could be brought in. I think there are some really great people there now (Matt Borland!...Bootie Barker), but now having Tony involved could bring in more talent for the teams (shop & crew members)...and I think thats what will make the difference. It sounds like they have all the right equipment (and that big, fancy new windtunnel) to be a contending team...just doesn't seem like right now they've got all the right people in place.
Posted by: Janelle | Aug 8, 2008 1:52:00 PM
well you can put lipstick on a hog, but it's still a hog
Posted by: Fan #5 | Aug 8, 2008 2:23:52 PM
Where is the talk about Jeremy Mayfield in all of this hype I have been hearing stremme (no thanks) mears could not win in hendrick cars yet he is considered above Mayfield come on what a joke Nascar has become this teenager cheerleader squad if you are not in there click no matter how well you drive you are not in at all.Tony talks harvick talks instead of being black listed they get contract extensions or the offer to be part owner jeremy yold the world the truth and now he is being shut out . ra ra ree nascar
Posted by: Danny | Aug 8, 2008 3:32:02 PM
Danny - "Where is the talk about Jeremy Mayfield in all this hype" -- I am a Mayfield fan...but dude, he QUIT Haas (or was fired, based on which theory you believe)...why would they be talking about him?
Posted by: Janelle | Aug 8, 2008 3:41:35 PM
First off did you read the article where shana cut in and said that haas had bigger things in the works they where just buying time with him there that whole deal was a joke.
Second what has Casey Mears or David Stremme done (not much) so why not
talk about him I think he is the best driver available since newman is probably allready taken and truex has signed .It should be just like when football teams are drafting they look for the beast talent available at the time
Posted by: Danny | Aug 8, 2008 3:49:33 PM
Mayfield is done in Cup, he is over 25, not pretty, and doesnt have a ex-champions provisional in his pocket
Posted by: clay | Aug 8, 2008 3:51:46 PM
I guess we shall see but I hope not it would be a shame to see nascar full of young idiots and a bunch of foreign cars to boot.
OK just answer this for me honestly !
Is Mayfield a better driver than Stremme and or Mears ?
Posted by: Danny | Aug 8, 2008 4:00:59 PM
The bottom line is SH will get jaked by Hendrick in engineering help - customer cars are NEVER allowed to beat the teams of their supplier to any great extent. The number of teams that won races WITHOUT building their own engines is fewer than 20 since 1990 - those odds can't be denied.
Posted by: Mike Daly | Aug 8, 2008 4:03:32 PM
Just to clear something up, I dont know where Ryan is going but i am guessing like the rest of you. So dont take the (Ryan Newman) as fact. Its just my guess with no fact behind it. After reading Krissie's blog I guess we'll all know in a couple of weeks. And who said Mayfield, for gods sakes we haven't gotten that bad.
Posted by: trent | Aug 8, 2008 4:12:12 PM
Sorry, Danny - I must have misunderstood your first post. I thought you were asking why Haas wasn't talking about Jeremy...but you must mean why isn't he being talked about for the other available rides!
Yes, I did read the article you're referring to...but I have also read that Jeremy never had a contract with Haas...and based on stories that the talks with Tony started back late last year/early this year, Jeremy (and Shana) must have known something was going on when this season started. As a fan, I was disappointed that he quit the team after so few races...even if he didn't think it was the best team/crew/equipement/etc, it was a ride and would have kept him visible and his name out there (I wasn't there, I don't know what happened, he must have made the best decision for him). I think you're hearing more about Mears & Stremme because they're out there, they have been around the garage...Jeremy hasn't been really heard much from - except the few articles on his trip to Iraq. Hopefully, Jeremy is working on something...his last few deals have been arranged quietly, so maybe there are things going on not being talked about!
Posted by: Janelle | Aug 8, 2008 4:22:02 PM
Sorry Yes I was talking about the other rides available Maybe I didnt word it correctly and I am sorry for that
I think the Penske ride and the job at RCR would be a great fit for both sides He is 38 but Mark Martin is no pup And before anyone get to crazy I am not saying that Mayfield`s career is anything like Mark Martin but it should rule out the age factor.
Posted by: Danny | Aug 8, 2008 4:28:25 PM
This is my sad attempt at a blog Compiling some of my thoughts on The Jeremy Mayfield issue
Posted by: Danny | Aug 8, 2008 4:41:47 PM
I read your blog and I am disappointed that you are not as optimistic as most of us Newman fans are.
Basically, HMS may have been short changing HAAS with the motors to this day, but it was very easy to blame the drivers because the Haas drivers were not that talented. So the drivers were blamed and fired.
However, it will be difficult to short change HAAS with a guy like Stewart or Newman driving your car. The equipment will be questioned rather than the driver. These 2 guys are too talented.
So Mr. H has to give the goods in terms of HP and good motors because it will be difficult to the blame the drivers in that situation of the newly formed SHR when you have drivers of the caliber of Stewart and Newman.
Hendrick is a business and if he sells not so good motors the buyer can always go someplace else. There is always Childress motors available.
I would think that it will be in the best interest of Mr. H to sell good motors for the respectability of his business.
Where there is a 'Rocket there is Smoke'.
I love it. ( Newman and Smoke in 09 I hope it happens , this is my catch phrase)
On another note, can't Penske find marquee drivers for the 12 car?
I mean Stremme and Mears, 2 guys that have been fired from quality rides. I think Riggs deserves that ride more than those 2 JMO.
I hope Penske does not turn into another Ganassi.
If the 12 team does not have sponsorship when Verizon buys Alltel, Penske said he will run that team out of his pocket if he has to. This reminds me of another 40 team. Ironically Stremme was fired because he could not bring sponsorship to the 40. Will he bring sponsorship to the 12 team?
Or will the company line come in 'we had to close the 12 team because of sponsorship issues'.
Just something to think about.
One question what's up with Newman and Mac Cauley? The radio has seemed awfully hostile of late.
Posted by: Carrie Carfan12/39/4/20/33/66 | Aug 8, 2008 6:45:20 PM
I think it's a hard thing to speculate on right now cause when you look at those associate teams, the drivers aren't top of the line in comparrison. The cars may be good now but can the driver really drive them. Putting Tony in should showcase what is there and what needs improvement.
Posted by: Jamie | Aug 8, 2008 7:10:48 PM
Also you have to take into consideration that the satellite teams affiliated with Roush, HMS and Gibbs are not fully supported by good sponsors. Money wins race and championships and these satellite teams have sponsorship issues ie. Haas and Yates.
Stewart and Newman could potentially attract big sponsors that would bring the necessary resources to compete to win. That will be the difference between the old Haas and the new Stewart Haas racing.
I am a bit worried about the HMS partnership. However with that new COT strategy wins races. Fuel mileage,two tires, no tires, track position,luck, rain. The best car hardly wins anymore.
So if Newman is reunited with Borland I think this new style of racing will be beneficial to them. Borland takes chances and him and Ryan in 03 did plenty strategizing to win races.
Posted by: Carfan not 12 but/39/33/66/4/20 | Aug 8, 2008 11:26:48 PM
You all should take a look at the side of the HMS cars, one the pillar to be exact, is the ol' Haas symbol. Haas has been an associate sponsor for HMS for years. I highly doubt Rick would jeopardize sponsor money and give them junk engines. Sure, he's not gonna give them cream of the crop. It's Stewart/Haas's engine shop's job to make 'em run good.
Also, Joe Custer was being interviewed on Sirius and he said that on the information they get from HMS, he sees exactly how JJ's, Jeff's etc. cars are set up. Like I said before, it's up to the teams to make it work to their advantage. If Tony gets the right people, all the rest will fall into place.
I for one am excited about the prospect of the Newman/Stewart duo. RIchard CHildress basically said in his interview this week that Ryan wasn't going to be his 4th driver. (Unless he was trying to divert attention like Mr. H did last year with the "no room at my stable" comment when Jr was a free agent)
MHO of course.
Posted by: J in PA | Aug 9, 2008 4:00:45 AM
I was thinking the very same thing Trent.
Just how neutral will Hendrick be in there engine building process. This is all about competition. Will the teacher make the student just as fast? Inquiring minds want to know!
Then you have to worry about Toyota getting shall I say,"Better." The bar has been raised in the engine area and only a few teams have been able to reach that bar.
Having your competition building your engines is a point to ponder on. I would go "out side" the box myself but that's just me!
Posted by: snidely whiplash | Aug 9, 2008 7:04:05 AM
I'm excited about Newman/Stewart togther also! As far as SHR being a start up team, they might not be the greatest right now, but not sure you can consider them a start up team since they've been around for quite some time, however, RCR 4th team, would be a "start up" team..... It will have to make the show too! Gibbs 4th team would also be a "start up" team!
I just fill like with Stewart/Newman being the caliber drivers that they are, both hard core,determined, passionate drivers, they can make it work, if anyone can make it work, those two Indiana hard headed boys can!!! And I'm excited! I'd be even more excited it the Alltel Pit Crew was coming too!
Posted by: Darlene | Aug 9, 2008 12:58:12 PM
Hey Trent,
Every team that is winning races in Cup makes their own motors. Leasing is ok as a band aid, but certainly not a long term plan. Tony knows this, and he will in time do what he needs to do. If he got Ryan, that is a good step for SHR.
Also, Penske surprised us with the driver in the 2 car and I expect no less this time. Right now Vickers looks good besides those mentioned. Scott Speed. JMac?
Lagano sounds good. lol
Posted by: Larry | Aug 10, 2008 5:10:54 PM
My guess is that at first, Stewart/Haas will continue their current deal with HMS but they're going to want to get their own motor program going ASAP, their own body program going ASAP and their own chassis program going ASAP because the stuff that HMS is giving them obviously isn't the same stuff they're giving the 24, 48 and 88. For years the 25 was HMS's test team but I think they're now using HAAS/CNC as their test team. So it would be in Tony's best interest to make sure his team builds their own stuff ASAP although that probably won't happen for a couple years.
Tony's a smart guy. He knows the deal. He knows that HMS isn't giving them their best stuff so he knows that Stewart/Haas needs to build their own stuff to be competitive. It's just a matter of how long it's going to take before they can do that.
Posted by: Ken | Aug 10, 2008 10:43:17 PM
Smoke will start his own engine shop ASAP.
Smoke will NOT let his new venture turn into DEI or suchlike.
Posted by: JWSmoke | Aug 12, 2008 10:20:12 PM
Well Danny, on the mayfield topic, if your not a top talent, (harvick, stewart) it's probably not always wise to 'tell it like it is.' Neither stremme or mears is better than him, but if you were hiring someone, and had three mediocre guys to choose from, why would you hire the one who has showed a propensity to show his @$$.
SH will get no help from HMS because the last thing that jeff or jimmie want to see is that ball get rolling then they are competing with SH for Chevy dollars down the road and they would have only themselves to blame if they helped them out.
Posted by: JacksCars | Aug 13, 2008 12:25:24 PM
Well it will be announced Friday at Mich. that Ryan Newman will be going to Stewart-Haas Racing. Now the fun begins. GO TONY GO
Posted by: Ind14 | Aug 13, 2008 8:05:48 PM
Janell wrote:
"HMS and Haas are already affiliated...and the Haas team isn't nearly up to the level HMS is. I don't think HMS is going to "help" out Stewart/Haas any more than they do now. I think the main thing that will help SH is the people that could be brought in. I think there are some really great people there now (Matt Borland!...Bootie Barker), but now having Tony involved could bring in more talent for the teams (shop & crew members)..."
I agree with that, and it seems that what most of you are forgetting is that HMS makes money by leasing equipment to Haas. SHR could easily go somewhere else if they thought they were getting inferior equipment. Or they could build their own.
The racers have to trust each other, even other teams in order to race without thinking about what mechanical failure could do.
If competition meant giving another team substandard equipment, then Scott Riggs would be the greatest driver in the world right now, because all Haas would have to do is sell the other teams test equipment and suspension tech that would yield false results.
Capitalism and the need for trust prevent the exchange of inferior equipment.
Posted by: RevJim | Aug 13, 2008 8:11:38 PM
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