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April 10, 2008

Consistent? Not so much

By Dan Sipocz

Well, so much for consistency. Carl Edwards loses 100 points and his crew chief for six weeks after Vegas when his car was found to be missing the oil lid. Then Ryan Newman’s car fails post-race inspection and he loses 25 points and his crew chief is placed on probation until the end of the season.

Something’s not right here.

I don’t care that comparing these two penalties is like comparing apples to oranges because there isn’t any consistency here from NASCAR. Newman’s car was found to be too high in the right rear, indicating that the team made some sort of adjustments to the car to gain an illegal advantage.

For the record, typically when a car is found to be too high in the right rear, as in the case of Newman’s car after the race at Texas, it means the car had more down force. The extra down force really could have made a huge difference at a track like Texas where even the draft comes into play just the slightest bit (the trucks in the 90s used to have drafting packs to get around the track during races).

In any event, both teams were found to have an illegal advantage per the NASAR rule book. Throw out intentions here, because NASCAR does. Things happened and both Edwards and Newman’s cars were illegal. Nothing could be clearer. So why the discrepancy in the penalty?

Let’s go back to Darlington last year. Dale Earnhardt Jr.’s car had different types of nuts holding the wing on his car, thus making his ride illegal in NASCAR’s eyes. The penalty there was 100 points and crew chief Tony Eury Jr. was kicked out for six weeks. Seriously, the nuts were different. There wasn’t any competitive advantage. There weren’t any safety concerns. It just didn’t fit NASCAR’s rules and that made the car illegal. There is no denying that, after all, it is NASCAR’s domain.

Now, back to my question, where is the consistency? If Earnhardt and Edwards are hit with this penalty of 100 points and the loss of their crew chief for six weeks, why wasn’t Newman hit with the same penalty? Wasn’t his car illegal too? Didn’t his car have some sort of advantage to it having more down force (no matter how small of a difference it made)?

Typically I don’t care about the penalties NASCAR hands down. It’s part of their job. They have to regulate the sport the best they can based on their rule book and they do. Heck, often times I agree with what ever penalty they levy. This time though, I ask why the penalty wasn’t as severe. I thought teams are NOT to monkey around with his COT platform car what-so-ever. Well, whether the 12 meant to or not, they did monkey with it and if NASCAR followed precedents set in the case of Earnhardt, the 24 and 48 teams penalties from Sonoma, and Edwards’ penalty Newman would have been hit harder. He should have been harder.

Playing back and forth like this on severity of penalties NASCAR is proving once again that they don’t get it right all the time. How could they, they’re human after all. But come on, if you’re not going to get it right, at least follow the precedents you have set in the COT platform with the cases I’ve mentioned above.

Enough of that though. NASCAR offficials work hard and tries to regulate and enforce rules as best as they can. They deserve a lot of credit for doing the job they do. It’s not easy keeping tabs on all the cars that come through the garage. I’m glad that they try so hard and that they are able to do as well as they do, but frankly they missed the mark this time. Good for Newman that he got off light and shouldn’t be too affected by the penalty, but wow, if I were Jack Roush, Carl Edwards, or Bob Osbourne I’d be upset.

Posted by Bob Henry at 10:01 PM | Permalink

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Consistency huh... Carl Edwards was too low last year at Dover in the Fall COT race.

So I guess they must of took 100 points away right...being a COT penalty right?

Oh wait...cousin carl only got 25 points taken away.

Hmmmm, consistency...sounds the same to me.

Jr.'s car had wrong lug nuts, edwards' car was missing a significant piece. nascar found nothing out of order with newman's car so it's 25 points...just like edwards last year.

Posted by: dan | Apr 10, 2008 11:38:31 PM

The consistency issue is certainly legitimate, but also in need isdiscussion of why punishments never affect the big teams like Penske and Hendrick who get busted but are so big the penalties don't even affect anything.

When ems like Hendrick and Penske are caught, tey need to be nailed with multi-million dollar fines and thousand-point penaties - penalties that actually hurt

Posted by: Mike Daly | Apr 11, 2008 1:38:34 AM

Dan,

I believe the 100pts for COT fines is mandated for modifications to the COT itself. I believe Edward's 100pt fine was mandated, not because he modified the COT, but, because it was a willful attempt to violate the rules. Newman's foul, of .125 inches in height, could arguably have been caused by 500mi of racing and did not alter the COT. I think NASCAR got the penalties right. They are being consistent, as 25pts has been the penalty for this foul in the past. A 100pt penalty for everything in the book makes no sense.

Posted by: Keith | Apr 11, 2008 7:51:21 AM

Guys,

I don't see how you can say with authority that the 99 problem was intentional.

Everyone understood before the penalty that something being wrong intentional or unintentional would be punished. Ans I believe in that, otherwise teams would start designing stuff to break to circumvent the rules.

So, why would a crew chief do something so obvious when he knew he would get penalized? I agree with the penalty but disagree it had to be intentional. Many cars would not pass inspection after a race especially after banging the walls a couple of times. So, it is possible something failed, like the 99's engine the very next week. And the car didn't seem much slower at Texas.

Now with Newman. I listen to the radio chatter all the time. Many drivers can be heard saying "saying can you give me a little more of that wedge adjustment?" The crew chief sometimes responds "we're probably at the most we can be and still pass inspection." So, it was a careless decision by the crew on the 12 that made him too high and those things do affect performance. So, I think their ruling was inconsistent.

John

Posted by: John | Apr 11, 2008 10:03:29 AM

John,

The part is mandatory, always has been, and there's no way it could fall off during the event, so it was intentional. Parts are stressed during 500 miles, so it's conceivable .125 inches was the result of the race. It's the same penalty they always give for that offense. How can you not call it consistent?

Posted by: Keith | Apr 11, 2008 10:42:30 AM

Dan, come on, every height infraction results in a 25 pt penalty. it has been that way for years. there is a difference in an 1/8 of an inch being too high, which some would argue is a disadvantage, than a missing oil lid that can affect 100 lbs of downforce.

Posted by: keith12 | Apr 11, 2008 11:04:54 AM

Haha...wanted to see what everyone would say. I neglected to mention the 25 point penalty for cars being too high or too low on purpose, but the entire thing makes me wonder how much longer that will remain the price for that penalty with NASCAR increasing the price for some of the other penalties...

Posted by: Dan | Apr 11, 2008 2:01:32 PM

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