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October 06, 2005
NASCAR suspends ... Ryan Moore?
By LEE MONTGOMERY
Big news! NASCAR suspended a driver for retaliation! They're cracking down! Next, they'll actually punish a team when its car fails inspection!
OK, OK, I'll stop being a smart-aleck. Well, maybe I won't.
In case you haven't read, Ryan Moore was suspended for retaliation after a Busch North Series race at Lime Rock Park in Connecticut last weekend. Moore, according to NASCAR, hit Sean Caisse's car twice - once on the cool-down lap and again on pit road - after the race was over.
On Thursday, NASCAR dropped the hammer. (Why'd they wait until Thursday?) Moore won't be able to drive in any NASCAR event until November, meaning he'll miss the Busch North finale this weekend and a Craftsman Truck Series race in Atlanta later this month.
Moore, you might know, is a development driver for Dale Earnhardt Inc., and DEI was trying to put him in a truck at Atlanta. That ain't gonna happen.
But why pick on Ryan Moore? Sure, the message will get through to him and every other Busch North driver. But has the message gotten through to Nextel Cup, Busch Series and Craftsman Truck Series driver?
Yeah, but they're not scared. You're going to suspend us? Hahahahaha!
I'll believe it when i see it. They had a perfectly good opportunity to kick Robby Gordon and/or Kasey Kahne out for a race or two - especially after threatening to do so - but slapped their wrists. Then, Todd Berrier is caught cheating a SECOND TIME this year and gets a two-race suspension. Why not the rest of the year?
Oh, and why wasn't Berrier on probation for the Las Vegas penalty? Can you say, "NASCAR screwed up"? But we're used to that now.
The latest issue cropped up in post-race inspection at Talladega, when Jamie McMurray's car flunked inspection but wasn't penalized because NASCAR said it was in a wreck. Did anyone at Talladega see the No. 42 crash? I didn't. That car was so wrecked that it ran up front most of the race.
But no penalties.
Ryan Moore, however, gets suspended. Robby Gordon and Kasey Kahne don't.
You want justice? Watch Court TV.
October 6, 2005 in Racing | Permalink
Comments
Ryan Moore is a DEI driver, that's your answer right there. If he wants to keep pulling stunts like that, he best go over and drive for Rick Hendrick...then he won't have to worry about punishment.
Posted by: Kelly | Oct 6, 2005 2:48:34 PM
Real classy guy DEI hired there. I was actually at this race and I can tell you that what he did was way MORE than what robby and kasey did combined. Oh by the way Kelly, nice e-mail address. For all of you people that think Hendrick get away with anything, go back and look at some of the crap Dale "Imitator" Earnhardt pulled over his career and never got fined for. Mike Helton was so far up his ass I don't know how he could breath. He didn't even try to hide it. They would frequently be seen at the track together, kind of makes you wonder what was going on behind the scene. Was Dale on the down low??
Posted by: Jordan | Oct 6, 2005 3:00:21 PM
LeeMo - you're back! NASCAR.com sux!
Bad thing is - the guy they make an "example" of is third in standings, 119 points back of the leader going into the final race of the year. Now he'll be hard pressed to finish in the first eight.
Why not be CONSISTENT and give him a points penalty. That would at least give him a chance to get a solid top five finish - I mean, after all, he did bust his ass for third all season. So...he got a little pissed...why him. Why now?
Sometimes these guys don't make no sense 'atall.
Posted by: the6and9 | Oct 6, 2005 3:53:36 PM
This is for Jordan. Jeff Gordon is a fag and Jimmie Johnson is his boyfriend. They are the biggest whine bag pu#sies in NASCAR. You must also be a pu#sy for liking them. One more thing.....FU!!!
Posted by: Big D | Oct 6, 2005 3:57:35 PM
Real mature there Big D, are you really Kelly and you just changed your name?
Posted by: truracinfan | Oct 6, 2005 4:21:22 PM
Truracinfan obviously just can't handle the truth. Good call Big D. Way to speak the truth. Truracinfan is probably as big of an ass bag as Gordan.
Posted by: gordonsux | Oct 6, 2005 4:32:42 PM
Good lord, I was just trying to be funny and I have no problem with the truth.
Nor do I have a major *** case of bitterness! Geez people!
Posted by: truracinfan | Oct 6, 2005 4:34:15 PM
What does me knowing the truth have to do with you being immature and rude?
Really kills me how some come on here and belittle and insult anyone that doesn't hold the same point of view or hateful attitude as they do!
Posted by: truracinfan | Oct 6, 2005 4:46:38 PM
That is exactly what I would expect from a Gordon fan and also from a woman, can dish it out but can't take it. Isn't that right Marsha Kidd?? Zip your lip you dumb ho. Little E rules!!! Number 8 all day every day!
Posted by: gordonsux | Oct 6, 2005 5:20:58 PM
I wish I could take credit for being "Big D", but I have no problems saying what I want to say using my own name. Go ahead Lee and check the IP address if you can do that, you'll find that they don't match.
Posted by: Kelly | Oct 6, 2005 5:33:00 PM
Lee,
I don't see Nextel drivers even paying attention to this penalty. NASCAR North doesn't have the major sponsors or dollars to appease. NASCAR (IMO) will continue to blunder along with penalties until someone gets hurt. Then, they will jump on the "We warned you bandwagon." But, it's too late then for some safety worker or driver. If NASCAR was a parent "Family Services" would have been called long ago!
Posted by: Keith | Oct 6, 2005 5:35:14 PM
Get a life you freakin loser! You are exactly what I expected too! An arrogant ass who lives to be insulting and rude.
My you should be proud of yourself, I am sure Jr. is real proud of having such a loser for a fan! At least Jr. is a nice guy, contrary to what you think I don't hate the guy!!
Posted by: truracinfan | Oct 6, 2005 5:54:41 PM
Tru,
LOL I thought you meant me. I hate when women yell at me...ok the making up is fun but the cats take all the room on the couch!
Posted by: Keith | Oct 6, 2005 6:04:41 PM
Huh? What did I say this time?
Posted by: Kelly | Oct 6, 2005 6:07:55 PM
Keith - NO!!!! I have no problem with you, you aren't insulting me and calling me a dumb ho - for no reaon! Sorry if you thought I meant you!
Those darn cats!
Posted by: truracinfan | Oct 6, 2005 6:08:17 PM
Not you Kelly - gordonsux was every ugly to me. You didn't do anything!
Posted by: truracinfan | Oct 6, 2005 6:09:05 PM
I would just like to say that Ryan got penalized because he drives for DEI, and they're the only ones who get penalized other than RCR. Any future drivers at DEI, like Ryan, will have to act and drive according to a different set of rules. Its obvious I think to all DEI fans that all the other teams in NASCAR can get away with cheating (e.g., Jimmie at Dover) because if Jr's team had done that severe penalties would have been handed down. As far as Ryan's penalty, the drivers will not pay attention to the suspension because he doesn't race full time in the three upper divisions of NASCAR.
Posted by: becca | Oct 6, 2005 7:32:32 PM
where is Krista?
Posted by: Larry | Oct 6, 2005 11:02:43 PM
That's a good question, where is she?
Man do I miss the version of Nascar Nation she was on - I don't even watch it now!
Posted by: truracinfan | Oct 7, 2005 8:21:29 AM
Dale Sr was smart enough to never retalitate AFTER a race and always did things on the track. NASCAR plays favorites. It is much worse now than it was 20 years ago, but when one family runs a sport that should be run by the owners of the teams this is what happens. Brian France is the worst thing that has happened to NASCAR. He has turned this into WUSSCAR. In fact that should be the new logo. I attended my first race in 1974 with my father in Rockingham, I attended my last race at Talledega in October 2005. We had season tickets to 3 tracks and now because of the BS that NASCAR puts out I quit. Becuase NASCAR is just a freak show.....its now NBA quality....with a WWE appeal. The new fans are fickel, its too bad Brian France is not smart enough to know that. You will continue to see empty seats like you did at Talledega last weekend . There were at least 30,000 seats available. This sport has reached its pinnicle, and all I can say is f%ck Brian France. His greedy ass will not get any more of my hard earned money.
Posted by: Google | Oct 7, 2005 8:25:36 AM
Got news for you Larry - if these guys don't stick to racing related topics and stop with the goddamned insults and acting like high schoolers, Krista, Lee, David and all the other great writing talent they've managed to bring in on this site to discuss RACING won't stick around for long.
You guys know who I'm talking about here - let's stick to the cars dammit.
Posted by: the6and9 | Oct 7, 2005 9:21:50 AM
btw there's a great little button on the homepage says FORUMS - go trade your insults over there.
Now...
I think it was a bullshit call for a championship contender to be made an example of like that - granted I didn't see what happened. Did anyone?
Posted by: the6and9 | Oct 7, 2005 9:27:59 AM
sorry the 6and9
I don't know why the picked Ryan to be the example. That is one thing I do not like about nascar, how totally inconsistent they are! Punish the same infractions consistently not matter WHO it is!!
Posted by: truracinfan | Oct 7, 2005 10:09:46 AM
Well, I went back and read the story again and just the fact that he did it on pit road warrants a suspension as far as I'm concerned. Too many "innocent" bystanders.
HOWEVER...this does set a precident that NASCAR had better be prepared to stick with, because if they don't then they'll be accused of handing the Busch North title to Andy.
But incidents on pit road that involve more than just fists or helmets is COMPLETELY unacceptable and should NOT be tolerated. Period.
Posted by: the6and9 | Oct 7, 2005 10:28:25 AM
but since DEI's on a roll gettin' penalties reversed - maybe they should give it a shot.
Posted by: the6and9 | Oct 7, 2005 10:40:19 AM
You are right, incidents on pit road are not cool and should have some type of punishment given. Just imagine what would happen if some innocent bystander was hurt in all of it. In the sue happy society of today, there would be lawsuits! Yes, they did set the precedent and they had better follow through with it! That is where the problem lies, they are NOT consistent at following through with it!
Posted by: truracinfan | Oct 7, 2005 10:48:02 AM
You are right, incidents on pit road are not cool and should have some type of punishment given. Just imagine what would happen if some innocent bystander was hurt in all of it. In the sue happy society of today, there would be lawsuits! Yes, they did set the precedent and they had better follow through with it! That is where the problem lies, they are NOT consistent at following through with it!
Posted by: truracinfan | Oct 7, 2005 10:48:58 AM
Maybe they should try, all they can say is no!
Posted by: truracinfan | Oct 7, 2005 10:50:15 AM
Hey 6 and true,
Our sport is very consistant. We are ALWAYS trying to figure which end is up.
Google, have made that same speech. But it's like quitting other vices. Always seem to start one more time than I quit.
Swore I'd never walk over the welcome to Daytona bridge. Had not been to the track since 2001.(after 10 consecutive years) Given a free tower Busch race ticket, I was there.
Raised a race fan and you know what? Have checked out football, baseball, hockey and basketball. Have been racing before it was cool. It is still the best entertainment going!
Posted by: Larry | Oct 7, 2005 3:14:24 PM
Damn skippy, Larry.
But this time it decides the outcome of a championship. I guess some will argue he had it coming, but the -180 points he got hit with is a lot bigger than the -25 to -50 he was bankin' on.
And NASCARs been here before with Harvick. And they didn't back that shit up either, so I guess it's a wasted discussion.
Posted by: the6and9 | Oct 7, 2005 5:31:30 PM
becca: "I would just like to say that Ryan got penalized because he drives for DEI, and they're the only ones who get penalized other than RCR."
Really? Would you care to back that contention up with facts, or care to actually look at reality of the largest fines in NASCAR history? This is only the top eight:
1. Ray Evernham, crew chief, Hendrick Motorsports (#24 Jeff Gordon), May 1995, unapproved suspension parts, Charlotte Motor Speedway, The Winston, $60,000.
2. Michael Kranefuss, owner, Penske-Kranefuss (#12 Jeremy Mayfield), April 2000, altered fuel, Talladega Superspeedway, $50,000, Mayfield loses 151 championship points, crew chief Peter Sospenzo suspended for one month.
3. Scott Eggleston, crew chief SABCO Racing (#40 Sterling Marlin), July 1999, Daytona International Speedway, illegal insert in intake manifold, $50,000.
* Tony Furr, crew chief Cale Yarborough Racing (#98 John Andretti), July 1997,
* Daytona International Raceway, unapproved carburetor studs, $50,000. Ben Leslie, crew chief Roush Racing (#6 Mark Martin), May 2002,
Charlotte, car was 1/8th-inch too low, $50,000
4. Ricky Rudd, owner, Rudd Performance Motorsports (#10 Rudd), April 1995, Hydraulic lift in rear deck lid, Talladega Superspeedway, $45,000, crew chief Bill Ingle $5,000.
5. Junior Johnson, owner, Junior Johnson & Associates (#11 Brett Bodine), Feb. 1995, Daytona International Speedway, unapproved intake, $45,000, crew chief Mike Beam $100.
6. Robin Pemberton, crew chief Roush Racing (#6 Mark Martin), Feb. 1990, Richmond International Raceway, carburetor spacer, $40,000 and 46 championship points.
7. Bill Davis, owner, Bill Davis Racing (#22 Randy Lajoie), Feb. 1995, Daytona International Speedway, hydraulic lift in rear deck lid, $25,000, Lajoie $10,000, crew chief Chris Hussey $100.
8. Richard Petty, driver/owner Petty Enterprises (#43 Petty), Oct. 1983, Charlotte Motor Speedway, oversized engine, $35,000 and 104 championship points.
Posted by: Marc | Oct 7, 2005 8:27:49 PM
And I should add this who doesn't even have the guts to post even a reasonable name or email address. Yea I'm talking to you "Google." Who said,
"There were at least 30,000 seats available [ast Talladega]. This sport has reached its pinnicle [sic]."
Is that why TV ratings continue to either match last years record pace or top them?
As for the empty seats, in your world it's because NASCAR has "reached its pinnicle" (nice spelling BTW), out in the real world when gas has hit the 3 dollar mark people have made other choices and one of those is to cancel or delay long road trips that would include NASCAR events.
Expect to see more empty seats in the remaining events of the year for the same reason.
Posted by: Marc | Oct 7, 2005 8:37:22 PM
Marc, the ratings have been flat the last few races, and as Mulhern put it at Journalnow, this has taken some in the sport by surprise.
Marc, gas prices have been going down the last few weeks, so high gas prices aren't the reason attendence at races has been down. People are indeed getting fed up with NASCAR.
Posted by: Mike Daly | Oct 8, 2005 1:26:42 PM
I agree with ya Mike D. Give dega' a mulligan for attendance. Bama' & Auburn both had home games sat. That's alot of sports dollars accounted for.
6&9, you have a good raceday..
Posted by: Larry | Oct 8, 2005 9:58:02 PM
Mike and Larry, also remember that Dega draws a lot of fans from Southern Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana. And, to be mild about it, those folks have had a lot of other stuff going on that might affect their ability to come to races...
On the other hand, they're not major TV markets, so if you're looking at ratings I think you have to look beyond Saturday football games to figure out why folks weren't watching on Sunday.
Posted by: Jo | Oct 9, 2005 9:52:15 AM
Jo, I did not mean to be callous to the situation in our gulf.
OK, how about sunday football? ha.
Posted by: Larry | Oct 9, 2005 11:28:18 AM
Larry -
Had a great weekend. Thanks - Martin wins and the Cowboys beat the shit out of Philly (finally). I'm good to go for a while!
Posted by: the6and9 | Oct 10, 2005 10:34:32 AM
i did not see the lime rock race, but i have seen sean caisse race before, i find it hard to beleive that ryan moore was on his own on this one. sean caisse is one of the worst drivers in new england. his career is made by his family pumping the piss out of him to anyone with money. he gets these rides and absolutly destroys his equipment and takes the rest of the field with him. walk through the pit area at a bush race and ask some/all the drivers what they honostly think of him. especially ask some of the well known veterans, Dave Dion, Mike Johnson ask them how many times sean has raced them clean! all i'm saying is sean caisse wants to race in new england's "premiere" racing league then he needs to learn how to control his own car and give respect to his competitors. i know i wouldn't want to be side by side with this arrogant cocky kid, and i bet ryan moore had all the reason in the world to retaliate. go get em ryan over and over and over again.
Posted by: fedupw/racin | Oct 15, 2005 5:05:52 PM
This comment is for the anonymous post from "fedupw/racin". Sean Caisse did not provoke Ryan Moore one bit, Ryan spun while trying to pass Sean on the S’s, nor was he accused of any un-sportsmanship type activities like Ryan. Sean has never been penalized at all in any race. It is unfortunate what has happened to Ryan Moore recently regarding DEI, but it is Ryan's fault and only Ryan's fault.
Regarding your comment on what the other drivers think of Sean, You’re wrong, he is the top rookie and has been racing up front all year and he definitely has had the respect of his peers during the 2005 season. Have you spoke with Dave Dion and asked him? As far as Mike Johnson is concerned, if I remember correctly he was penalized by Nascar at Adirondack for rough driving with Sean.
I have been to every race; Sean has received assistance from several teams throughout the 2005 season. Busch North is mostly short track racing and cars will get damaged and the number 5 has seen a little but he has NOT taken other drivers out as you stated in your post. Sean Caisse is 19 years old, he has been racing for 9 years with an impressive history. He is currently 8th in the points, has had 6 top tens, a third place finish at Dover and A record and a Pole at Motor Mile in Radford, Va. He has been the victim of several unavoidable incidents that kept him from other top tens and top fives and a possible wins including Motor Mile on his 9th start.
Keep your eye on Sean in next week in the Busch North final race, the Toyota All Star Showdown at Irwindale and in the 2006 season, I suspect he will be going places.
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