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June 22, 2006
No rage about the roads from this corner
By DAVID GREEN
The wine country of northern California may not be the favorite destination (physical or "televisional," if I may coin a word) for a great many NASCAR fans and some competitors, too. But I, for one, am looking forward to Sunday's Dodge/Save Mart 350 at Infineon Raceway.
Personally, I wish the track were stilled called by its traditional name, which paid homage to Sears Point on the northern extremity of San Pablo Bay (no offense intended to the folks at Infineon Corp.). And I wish the NASCAR circuit had retained its old configuration, complete with the downhill Carousel corner, instead of undergoing a drastic revamping over recent years. Anybody remember that thrilling pass by Dale Earnhardt over Mark Martin in 1995?
But by any name, and in any configuration, it is still a road course -- and, as such, provides much-needed variety to the NASCAR Nextel Cup Series schedule.
I know I'm very likely in the minority here. I have many friends and acquaintances who think stock car racing ought to be staged only on oval tracks. I respect their opinion, but I prefer a variety of circuits.
I'm not asking for equal portions; two or three road-course events per year is fine with me. But I'd glad Infineon and Watkins Glen are on the circuit, and I wouldn't mind seeing the Cup Series return to Road America in Elkhart Lake, Wis.
Yes, I said "return." Tim Flock drove a Bill Stroppe-owned Mercury to victory in a Grand National event (63 laps on the 4-mile course, 252 miles) at Road America on August 12,1956.
At least one NASCAR historian, the late Gene Granger, counted the Daytona beach and road circuit as a "road course," even though it had only left-hand turns and was shaped like an elongated oval, because it was something other than a traditional oval and utilized part of a public road. Not counting the GN events held on that circuit, the Road America event 50 years ago this season was the third race on a road-racing circuit in Cup history.
Coincidentally, this year marks the 50th anniversary of another road-racing milestone -- the establishment of the Watkins Glen International course in upstate New York, the other road course on the Nextel Cup trail. Prior to 1956, the famous Watkins Glen Grand Prix was held on a 6-mile circuit that began in the village, made an uphill right-hand turn toward the location of the present track, and ran northward before winding its way back to the east, then south along the lake shore and back into the town. The surface switched from macadam to gravel to dirt to concrete, and there was a point where the race course crossed the New York Central Railroad tracks.
Part of the allure for Sears Point and Watkins Glen, I'll admit, is the setting. Both are in gorgeous and dramatically different parts of the country.
But the racing is of great interest, as well. Great road circuits have distinct personalities. Even before it was revamped, Sears Point had the reputation among NASCAR drivers as a "short-track" kind of road course. Conversely, Watkins Glen -- even the short version utilized by NASCAR -- was considered a "superspeedway" road course.
The fact that many NASCAR drivers are not that much at home on road courses (Sterling Marlin once said Sears Point would be a fine track, if only they'd plow it up and turn it into an oval) only adds to the list of reasons why road courses ought to be a part of the schedule, along with short ovals, intermediate ovals and the restrictor-plate tracks that have come to be known as "speedways" or "superspeedways" (even though, for NASCAR records-keeping purposes, a superspeedway is an oval 1 mile or greater in length). I would add dirt ovals to the list, but that's a subject for another day.
Truth be told, many NASCAR drivers readily adapted to road courses as quickly as NASCAR began running them -- on June 13, 1954, on a makeshift course built on airport runways near Linden, N.J. Al Keller won that race, driving the Paul Whiteman-owned No. 4 Jaguar that, in light of Toyota's entry into Cup racing, has been retrieved from the trivia files and is now well known to most NASCAR fans.
TIME OUT FOR A TRIVIA QUESTION: Between the races won by Keller and Flock, there was one other event held on a course with left- and right-hand turns. What was the name and location of the track, when was the race held, and who was the winning driver? Email answers to me, or post them as replies to this blog item. (I can't promise any prizes; there's no corporate sponsor for this contest, you know.)
Buck Baker won the first NASCAR race at Watkins Glen, in 1957. Fireball Roberts, Marvin Panch, Eddie Gray and Jack Smith won on road courses before the decade was over.
In the 1960s and '70s, among the first to challenge the road-racing specialists such as Dan Gurney, Mark Donohue and others was David Pearson, who quickly became an outstanding driver. Dick Hutcherson stood on the podium after a third-place finish as co-driver of a Ford GT40 at Le Mans in 1966. In 1964, when Billy Wade became the first driver to win four consecutive Grand National races, two of the four were on road courses -- Watkins Glen and Bridgehampton, N.Y.
Bobby Allison, Richard Petty, Terry Labonte, Tim Richmond, Cale Yarborough, Darrell Waltrip, Benny Parsons -- all were road-course winners in the 1970s. Ricky Rudd and Rusty Wallace emerged as the standout road racers of NASCAR in the 1980s; Bill Elliott's first Cup victory came in 1983 on a road course, the great Riverside International Raceway, near the site of today's California Speedway in Fontana; and Earnhardt was plenty proficient, as he would later underscore in the 2001 Rolex 24 at Daytona in a Corvette, even though his first road-course win did not come until the 1995 Sears Point race referred to earlier.
Martin may have been second to Earnhardt in that 1995 race, but he proved to be yet another driver with dirt-oval origins to master road racing, along with Jeff Gordon and Tony Stewart. Their abilities have rendered the advantages of so-called "ringers" such as Boris Said, Scott Pruett, the great Ron Fellows and others all but negligible these days, and in fact few since the days of Gurney and Donohue have any of them had much success against the NASCAR regulars. None of them has won, although Wally Dallenbach Jr. came painfully close at The Glen one time.
Yes, it's a totally different concept in many ways in comparison to oval racing. That's what I like about it. What I don't like is when road-racing fans put down oval racing as simplistic, or when oval-racing fans dismiss road racing. Each requires specific skills and each is very, very difficult to do well.
Like it or not, it is an entrenched part of NASCAR racing and has been for most of the sport's 58 years. From this perspective, that's a very good thing.
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I am not a fan of NASCAR and road courses but hey, I still watch it. These 3,400 pound cars belong on the high banks in my opinion. Thank you for a great history lesson on the Glen and the Point David.
Posted by: Mark | Jun 22, 2006 9:37:57 AM
Like Mark I'm not a great fan of lefts and rights. While TV makes it somewhat palatable, I don't think I'd ever actually go to the track for one. I just don't like the strung out single file...Oh look, here comes a car, racing. I really could not afford all those beers between cars. Oh, this is CA., I meant Chardonay. I'm also not a big fan of the "Ringers" coming in.
Watkins Glenn, however, does give me pause to remember one of my favorite drivers, J.D. McDuffie. Never the fastest or even competitive in the "Rumple Furniture" car, I found his perserverence admirable. The field would take the start/restart and be deep in turn 2 when here would come Ol' JD outta turn four just getting to the line and the crowd would go wild (OK I made that up) but it was amusing and he's a driver I miss.
Wouldn't have anything to do with an airport would it?
Posted by: Keith | Jun 22, 2006 10:21:28 AM
I'm not a fan of road courses, but I don't like missing any of the races, so I will be watching. Thanks for the history.
Posted by: Diane Sadler | Jun 22, 2006 10:56:51 AM
Well said Diane I agree with you,althoug did go to Mid-Ohio track and see a Atlantic Series race.was a long time ago and all I remember was being under a tent
and seeing a straight section of track (about 300')was not exciting at all,but it was free and all the eats and beer.It was a company event.
Posted by: trucker | Jun 22, 2006 12:03:36 PM
David, I am also in the minority. I LOVE road courses. So much so, that I named one of my cats: Sonoma! (Sears Point and Watkins Glen just didn't work.)
I will never forget Riverside. I was in denial when they closed it for condos, a shopping mall, or whatever. (Oh wait, the mall is at Fontana!) Being a Darrell Waltrip fan, I enjoyed watching him win there on a regular basis. If I remember correctly, his main competition back then was Richmond and Rudd, and then Rusty picked up the pace. Dale in ’95 was a classic.
The pictures of the cars on two wheels, sometimes NO wheels, are totally awesome. And pit strategy is reversed – along with the pit crew. I’ll never forget Robby having one of his best races and then the in-car camera or something caught on fire. I love Pruett, Fellows, and Said, but with them not running the circuit on a regular basis, I don’t see them winning any time soon. Not when you have Robby, Tony, Jeff, and a few others going out of their way to ‘learn’ how to drive on a road course.
I’m happy that IROC has decided to add the road course at DIS to their schedule this season. I planned on going, but won’t be able to make it. Now if Mr. & Mrs. Signore would just take Tony up on his offer for Eldora, IROC will be a ‘complete’ series.
Road America would be a great addition to Cup and/or Busch. Road Atlanta would be cool as well, not to mention Sebring! That airport can seat a lot of people. But I guess it might be kinda bumpy.
Along with Daytona, Talladega, Bristol and a few others. . .I will be SITTING and watching every lap this Sunday, and then counting down for The Glen. I even enjoy qualifying and can’t wait until 6 p.m. Friday! (Question: Will it be the typical NASCAR qualifying, or are they going to do the F1 version?)
As others have said, David, thanks for bringing back memories and the “history lesson.” Enjoy the weekend!
Boogity Boogity Boogity!!! (we’ll only hear that a few more times this year - no comments, Keith)
Posted by: Shirley | Jun 22, 2006 12:34:07 PM
Can't beat free eats and beer.
Posted by: Diane Sadler | Jun 22, 2006 12:34:09 PM
One of the great racing sights in my memory was the view from high on the turn 6 grandstands at Riverside as the cars took the green flag and that train rumbled like a multicolored snake on steroids up through the esses for the first time. Usually there was a healthy dose of dust thrown up by someone, and you didn't think all 43 cars could possibly do it, but they always did.
I have a friend at work who does some amateur racing and he is long and loud in proclaiming his love for Road America. I'd love to see NASCAR there if a third road course were ever added.
Posted by: Doug | Jun 22, 2006 1:37:08 PM
I TOO abhore "road circuits" as a spectator...However am intrueged at gettin' a car to go left AND right...My figure 8 racing doesn't really count, I think it would be a thrill with elevation changes, heel, toe braking and clutching, and Yes David, Sears Point did take away an exciting part of the track with the "reconiguration".
I also understand having a few road course...it's where the NASCAR drivers evolved from runnin' shine on the twisting back roads of Wilkes, Ashe and Wautaga counties...I seldom get motion sickness, But coming back one year from Bristol I decided to come back Highway 421...on my journey I encountered a fellow in a Chevy SS pick up...to make a long story shorter, I backed off after I saw my OWN tailights and overheated the brakes on my Trans-Am!
I will probably go find a nice cool lake to relax on (Lake James) or go chase that little white ball around!
Posted by: Tbfka# 5 | Jun 22, 2006 1:48:53 PM
Doug, that is so cool that you were AT Riverside. I wanted to attend just one race before they shut it down, but never made it. I can just imagine what it was like in person. Thanks for sharing your thoughts as well!
Posted by: Shirley | Jun 22, 2006 2:38:49 PM
Google Earth'd Riverside and it's pretty much been swallowed up. http://www.tamsoldracecarsite.net/RiversideToday.html There'll be no new dates for Riverside.
Posted by: Keith | Jun 22, 2006 3:25:08 PM
Keith, I was at the Glen when J.D. was killed. A very, very sad day, indeed.
Can't say as I share your opinion about single-file racing being a road course thing; nowhere in NASCAR do we have more of a single groove, and therefore a more predominant single file, than --- Bristol. (Can I get an "amen," Mike Daly?)
I also have to disagree with you about the "ringers." Whether it's road course specialists, one-off entrants like Al Unser Jr. in the Daytona 500 about 13 years ago, or just out-of-town hot shoes coming to the local speedway, the notion of outsiders coming in to take a shot at the regulars always adds a ton of interest.
Shirley, back in the '90s, NASCAR experimented with European-style qualifying (multiple cars in sessions of hot laps, best timed lap counts as your qualifying effort) for the Busch Series events at Watkins Glen. As far as I know, they've never done that (nor are there any plans to) for Cup. Personally, I think that's a lot more interesting to watch and gives a better representative lineup than a one-and-done session. Until recent changes in their format, some of the greatest drama in Formula One often came in such qualifying sessions, when the faster drivers would go out and take turns knocking each other off the pole as time ran down on the final session. I wish NASCAR would give it a try on ovals as well as road courses.
No takers on the trivia question? Surely somebody knows or is interested enough to do a little Internet searching... OK, here's a hint: It was at a California road course that had a DIRT SURFACE!
Posted by: David Green | Jun 22, 2006 10:12:53 PM
David, I thought Cup kinda did an F1 'style' at one of the road courses recently. They weren't knocking each other off each lap, or parking in a turn to slow everyone down (Michael Schumacher???), but they let more than one car on the track at a time.
There's a lot of things NASCAR should consider outside of their own series, but they seem to think what was created for stock cars is the way it should be. Too bad they aren't STOCK CARS any more.
I forgot about the trivia question. . .but i have to admit it was a little before my time. Kinda figured Keith would have it figured out by now!
Posted by: Shirley | Jun 23, 2006 7:08:58 AM
David I tried researching old California tracks...I couldn't sleep without trying, Gut the only driver I came up with named "Keller"...is Jason, now I may have got sidetracked with the thought of California, but came up empty
Posted by: Tbfka# 5 | Jun 23, 2006 5:45:48 PM
HOLY COW BATMAN! TRUCKER HAD SOME TIME ON HIS HANDS!
How come Al Keller isn't listed as a NASCAR driver? Guess I needed to dig a lil further!
Good Job Ron!
Posted by: Tbfka# 5 | Jun 24, 2006 6:02:53 PM
David,
It's not so much the single file as waiting for them to come back around that would annoy me.
Posted by: Keith | Jun 24, 2006 7:24:16 PM
Q the music
Q the singer
"Where do I begin"
Lol Our turn 3 school teacher gave us a homework assignment
find the track that had a road course race between 6-13-1954
and 8-12-1956.It didn't interest me a first but later I got
into it with a little prodding from my better half.
After sifting tru all he web pages I found and the searches
I have mad I feel like Robert Langdon on his quest for the
famed "Da Vinci Code". Some of the info I found was wrong
and or posted wrong.But so much opened my eyes.
First was that all the info I found was not under Nascar or
under Nextel dito for Winston. It was found under strickly
stock Grand National Series.
The first race listed in the question was 6-13-54 at Linden
Airport in Linden NJ and won by Al Keller (found him Keith)
This was the only sanctioned race run there,and Al also has
1 win at Oglethorpe (Savanah Ga) on 3-28-54.
It was here I sidetracked found that 1 other race was held
on this dirt track and 3-6-55 Lee Petty won.Checking on Lee
Petty I was surprized to find that among his wins was one
in 1960 at Heidelburg (Pittsburg Pa).Now I have been to
Oglethorpe many times,it is off I-95 and near the terminal
for the last Co.I drove for,a real nice short track.Also was
once to Heidelburg in aprox 1973 to "The Pittsburg 200"
Took my wife and baby daughter,drivers there were
Red Farmer,Donny Alison,Bobby Alison,Tiny Lund,and 1970
Daytona 500 winner Pete Hamilton.Someone you may not have
heard of was there,mainly famed chasis builder from
Michigan Ed Howe and his team mate.they both drove green cars
#ed 60 and 61.Anouncer called em GO and GI.I think the 61
driver was Mike Eddy (I may be mistaken) and he won the race.
As many of you have heard Nascar is thinking about going
to Canada to race in 2007.But I can tell you in 1958
Lee Petty won on 7-18 at the Canadian National Exibition
held in Toronto Ontario.And also in 1971,1972,and 1978
they raced at Langley Speedway in Langley British Columbia
Canada.
Back to the homework
The winner of the sanctioned road race David was looking for
was Chuck Stevenson, now I missed him at first and posted who
I though was the winner.The reason's were that they called
Bay Meadows a Course it is not,but is a half mile dirt track
that has been converted to a horse racing facility.I was
wrong.Chuck's win was shown as happening on 11-20-1956
and at Lancaster Spdwy.
But then I have found the correct info
Chuck Stevenson won on 11-20-1955 at Willow Springs Speedway
in Lancaster California,with an average speed of 66.512
and he ran to the win on the 2.5 mile course from his
number 2 starting spot
this was fun
don't want another
Ron
here is the link
http://www.racing-reference.com/tracks?id=025
Posted by: trucker | Jun 24, 2006 10:56:24 PM
Bravo Trucker! Once again YOU have gone above and beyond the call of duty!
David tell him what he's won...
Q the music...
Posted by: Tbfka# 5 | Jun 25, 2006 1:07:01 AM
Trucker,
Your outstanding research earns a grade of A+. Chuck Stevenson did, in fact, win that race on a 2.5-mile dirt road course. The track is now paved, and is part of the Willow Springs International Motorsports Park complex in the high desert north of L.A., not far from Bakersfield. It's a fabulous facility. I got the opportunity to test drive a Dodge Viper Competition Coupe there a couple of years ago.
NASCAR's second road race was on Nov. 20, 1955, the third event of the 1956 season. (In the early years, NASCAR's new season often began in the final months of the preceding year.) This one was an 80-lap, 200-mile event. Stevenson drove a Carl Dane-owned Ford No. 22.
The Grand National circuit returned to Willow Springs a year later for what would be the fourth road race in series history. Marvin Panch was the winner on Nov. 11, 1956, the 1957 season opener, in a Pete DePaolo Ford.
Chuck Stevenson, a native of Sidney, Montana, competed five times in the Indianapolis 500, finishing fifth in 1954 and ninth in 1960. He died in 1995, just a few months shy of his 76th birthday. Al Keller, of Buffalo, N.Y., was also a "big car" driver who finished fifth at Indy in 1961, his sixth start in the 500. He was killed in a sprint car crash at Phoenix in November of that year. He was 41. As Trucker mentioned, Al had two GN wins and he also won a third race, at Palm Beach Speedway March 4, 1956, but was disqualified because of illegal pistons in his car's engine. Billy Myers was upgraded from second place to first.
Extra credit goes to Trucker for his comments about NASCAR's international heritage. Not only did Lee Petty win that race on the 1/3-mile CNE Stadium paved oval, it was the first GN start for 21-year-old Richard Petty, who had made his racing debut in a Convertible Division race in Columbia, S.C., earlier that season. Richard completed only 55 laps before the leader -- Papa Lee -- booted him into the fence. He finished 17th.
The first GN race held outside the U.S. was July 1, 1952, at Stamford Park in Niagra Falls, Ontario. Buddy Shuman won the 100-miler on a half-mile dirt oval.
Posted by: David Green | Jun 25, 2006 12:22:03 PM
I AM IMPRESSED DAVID
I wondered how you chose that question to ask.I love how you connected the points,the first thing I found was a link to all retired from Nascar/Grand National drivers (printed out to 28 pages.Going by that I check on any winners during those dates,think it amounted to 84 race winners.Now it seems odd but in that list Stevenson was listed as winning in 56 not 55.That led to my declaring Mc Griff the winner at Bay Meadow.It was only while checking the tracks i never heard of that I came across a better researched web site listing what I needed
I forgot to say about our family outing to Heidelburg that my wife balked at buying 3 tickets but I told her she could come in and sit or her and the baby could sit with me.....when we got to ur seats a beer and box of popcorn made her feel better.And her and I laughed at remembering that sunny sunday afternoon many years ago.
You must have some awsome stories to tell
Thanks
Ron
Posted by: trucker | Jun 25, 2006 1:29:42 PM
lol
I messed it up again
I told her to let me buy 3 tickets and come in or you and the baby could sit in the car(had it parked in a nearby yard in the shade after all it was a 68 396 ss chevelle).she came in
LOL
Posted by: trucker | Jun 25, 2006 2:57:58 PM
LOL
Posted by: Diane | Jun 25, 2006 7:39:15 PM
I moved to California in 1976 and attended every race at Ontario until it closed, and every race at Riverside until a year or two before it closed.
There were reminders of both tracks until about two years ago. The structure for Ontario's sign remained alongside I-10 until about ten years ago, and until about five years ago you could still see a mound where part of the turn one grandstand used to be. At Riverside, the sign structure only came down about two years ago. Now there is no evidence whatever that those two tracks ever existed. Ontario was a great track, designed as a carbon copy of Indianapolis, 2.5 miles with four real turns and four straightaways. Sad to say, the times were wrong and it lasted only ten years.
Posted by: Doug | Jun 26, 2006 1:42:51 PM
Doug
some sites i found in my search
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_International_Raceway
http://www.everythingstockcar.com/42t-riverside-international-raceway-nascar-track.html
Posted by: trucker | Jun 26, 2006 2:46:38 PM
http://www.everythingstockcar.com/41t-ontario-motor-speedway-nascar-
track.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontario%2C_California
here is two links to Ontario
the arial veiw is great
Posted by: trucker | Jun 26, 2006 2:52:08 PM
Trucker, thanks for those links. I bookmarked everythingstockcar.com. Great site!
Posted by: Doug | Jun 26, 2006 9:32:24 PM
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