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February 25, 2007
OK -- let's change the rules
By DAVID GREEN
Spotted on the television listings page of a Kentucky newspaper:
"Any more finishes like the crash-filled Daytona 500 and NASCAR's ratings will go through the roof. (Speaking of roofs, one driver crossed the finish line on his last week.) Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson are pegged as favorites in the Auto Club 500 at Fontana, Calif. (3 p.m., Fox)."
Spotted in The Charlotte Observer:
"Perhaps some potential viewers who saw replays of Harvick edging Mark Martin as the field wrecked behind them last Sunday will tune in this week out of curiosity..."
It is safe to assume that those who are rushing to NASCAR's defense for giving its audience "an exciting finish" (at the expense of its rules) have a point. That kind of stuff sells to the masses.
It isn't that we curmudgeons who are complaining that NASCAR's judgment was flawed or that it ignored its own race-procedure rules don't want to see finishes measured in thousandths of a second. It isn't that we want to deny anyone a reason to leap out of his La-Z-Boy in the sudden ecstasy of a vicariously triggered adrenalin surge.
The heated, often acrimonious debate may be among those who, despite appearances, may not be that far apart in their points of view. So -- how about some compromises?
Sometimes the local short track has the best ideas. At most tracks in my experience as a fan or competitor, you know as a driver that you revert to the last green flag lap running order when there's a mid-race caution and, unless there's a serious crash, you race back to the checkered flag. If there's a serious accident, you get a green-white-checker -- not just one shot at it, but as many as it takes.
The road we've gone down with the GWC in NASCAR, why not use Saturday-night bullring logic for officiating Cup, Busch and Truck races? Why just one attempt at a GWC? Just keep doing it until we get it right.
What if somebody runs out of gas, you ask? Well, let's just give everybody a free trip to the pits for whatever services they may need, then line 'em back up and let 'em go. We've already junked the notion that the finish of a race is a fixed, definite number of laps or miles. Let's toss out the strategic implications of that notion, as well.
That way, we can throw caution flags when there's a genuine need to do so; not throw them when there's not; and, except in rare instances, let people race to the checkered flag and have a green-flag finish every time.
We can forget about the complications of videotape replays and loop scoring. If there was a thrilling pass for position that gets wiped out by a yellow, it's too bad for the driver who pulled off the maneuver; but, hey -- the fans will get a chance to see him try it again! And, perhaps, again and again and again.
Under such rules, we will have a better chance of providing the product that, virtually all of us agree, the masses desire.
I'm not being sarcastic. That's the way it works for the weekend warriors. It seems to me that's the sort of thing the mainstream audience wants to see. Why not give it to them?
Every sport has the same dilemma. How far do you go to pander to the audience's thirst for the spectacular without compromising the essence of legitimate competition?
In for a penny, in for a pound, I say.
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Comments
You're not being sarcastic?I was sure your tongue was planted firmly in your cheek.LOL
Someone asked Nascar about Benson going below the yellow line at Daytona.The answer was,something like,when the checkers are in sight,the rules do not apply.
I,like most long time race fans,do not watch for the wrecks or the exciting last lap.I watch because I like racing.I am not the fan Nascar wants at the moment.
Good post David.
Posted by: Short Lady | Feb 25, 2007 10:18:27 AM
I thought Nascar showed favoritism towards Benson. The rules apply to ALL laps. Pass below the yellow line, you give up the position you gained or go to the back. Period. That was a bad call.
And Gordon's penalty was a slap on the wrist. HMS teams are known for parts that "accidentally fail" during the race. Gimme a damn break! Low is low. He should have gone to the back and gotten 50 pts and 2-4 weeks cc suspension, like they would have done if it were someone else.
People defending HMS need to STFU. The proof is in the pudding.....never a penalty that matters is imposed on those teams like they are to anyone else. In their defense, it is not their fault.....we can all blame Nascar and the France family.
For Pemberton to dole out harsh penalties is quite comical considering his past.
JMHO
Posted by: 8BudGirl | Feb 25, 2007 12:06:24 PM
David,
Concise rules, consistently followed, make the world go round. There's always going to be judgement calls in NASCAR. But, NASCAR seems to be the only one immune from their own rules. I'm a Harvick guy, but they should have called it like it's written. Had they given the victory to Martin, I'd be arguing they didn't call it fast enough (Harvick was ahead when it started)or how the hell do we (and why don't we)know where the scoring loops are. But, I wouldn't wonder if NASCAR just ignored it for the show.
Now, good rules get evaluated as different circumstances arise over the course of their usage. A debris caution certainly doesn't warrant not racing back. Maybe, yellow and green lights together mean, "race on back," and, yellow lights alone mean, "driver in danger, whoa up." But until they fix it it's got to (Ok, well should be) be called like they wrote it.
Posted by: Keith | Feb 25, 2007 1:07:21 PM
I am sitting in the first pew for this sermon yelling AMEN BROTHER!!!
Posted by: Mark | Feb 25, 2007 8:34:55 PM
All this debate, y'all remember, goes back to '95 or '96 in Richmond when NASCAR took the unprecedented step of red-flagging a race to try to prevent a yellow-flag conclusion. I have no idea whether Mark Martin was ripped off at Daytona, but Dale Jarrett undoubtedly was that night at RIR.
Now, you have the reigning Cup champion making sarcastic comments about "the wonderful debris caution" after today's California race.
Did anybody see the reason for that final caution? I don't even look anymore. They wave the yellow flag (and don't wave it) whenever they wish. There it is.
NASCAR's horrible inconsistency has just about destroyed its credibility.
Posted by: David Green | Feb 25, 2007 10:01:56 PM
Wonder what new rule NASCAR will make up if Junior can't make it into the top 35 before the fifth race? Could get interesting if that Bud hauler is on it's way home after qualifying.
Posted by: jeff | Feb 25, 2007 10:36:54 PM
NASCAR should understand that Racing 10 yrs ago was much better than what we got today, what's next CRATE MOTORS, bring back the rules that allowed the cars to be different from each other
Posted by: BillW | Feb 26, 2007 5:51:55 AM
David,
There were two "debris"cautions and we did not get to see what they were.I,like you,do not care anymore.If I choose to watch,or not,next week will be my choice.I have just about had it with Nascar being "consistently inconsistent"!
Posted by: Short Lady | Feb 26, 2007 8:50:00 AM
David,
If NASCAR can see debris, then I want to see it. I can hear 'em in the TV control booth, "Psst, they're spreading out. Give NASCAR the debris signal and roll to comercial." Screw that, I want to see that truck roll out there and watch the underpaid track person pick it up. And, it had better be something other than a hotdog wrapper. In the not too long ago, there'd almost have to be a major body part (car not human) obstructing the track before they'd call a caution. Today it's like, "Hey, Billy Bob is that a shadow out there or what?" "Dang it just throw that flag and we'll go to commercial!"
Posted by: Keith | Feb 26, 2007 9:35:06 AM
It's good to have that debris caution in your back pocket just in case a Star is having trouble and about to be lapped or the leader gets to far ahead making a mockery of the field. Where were they at when Ned Jarrett lapped the field 14 times?
Posted by: jeff | Feb 26, 2007 7:06:14 PM
8BudGirl, even Jeff Burton said that Gordon's shock flaw was unintentional once he saw it. Gordon received the penalty he should have gotten...since the infraction happened in a qualifying race, he lost his qualifying spot.
And I have been watching NASCAR enough years now to wonder where you have seen Hendrick parts "accidentally fail". Yes, HMS has occasionally crossed the rule boundaries in the past. So has DEI. Get over it.
Posted by: Kurt Smith | Feb 26, 2007 9:27:23 PM
David, what I love about your posts is the inherent philosophical questions contained herein. There are people that think the cars should go no faster than 50, and there are people that think they should race at least three laps after a multi-car wreck before the yellow flies. Not really, but there are people at both extremes.
You have shown us the yin and yang of this debate. Kudos.
Now then. I would be ok with going back to the last completed lap for sorting out the field. In fact, why hasn't NASCAR tried that? It would be a heck of a lot easier and probably cheaper too, and there wouldn't be as many disputes.
As far as allowing racing to the yellow for non-serious crashes, then you have to define what a serious crash is, and it becomes a judgment call again. In my opinion, you reduce inconsistency by reducing judgment calls.
I don't know about extending the GWC. It usually results in a mess anyway, and allowing drivers to fuel up again wouldn't be fair to a team that saved it (yadda yadda). I think NASCAR only has it once because they know it will get nuts.
Now then...what about a five-lap overtime instead of two? That might be a little better. Give drivers enough time to make a move cleanly.
Good post David. "Zen and the Art of Flying The Yellow Flag"...lol
Posted by: Kurt Smith | Feb 26, 2007 9:41:59 PM
Hey David,
We agree the state of Nascar is becomming harder to digest.
Now you get my "Going Barbarro".
That was the absolute worse broadcast I've ever seen. Calling it a "live" show is a stretch. We got replays of what we missed during the commercial break. Bits from the all new & improved Hollywood Hotel, while behind them is duh, Green flag racing. And if that is not enough, now we get cartoons(alsoallnew 3D), again during green flag racing. My fear was single file, blah racing. Actually, the bit coverage that we did get was good.
I want to submit a "green flag bank". At the beginning of the broadcast they tell us there will be x amount of breaks. Then when they get those early cautions, they get extra commercial time. When they exceed the scheduled breaks, the breaks they take are put into the fan bank (sponsoredbyWellsFargo). Then at the end of the race we may get the last 35laps showing all green flag racing. Breaks during cautions are acceptable.
They just gotta do better.
Posted by: Larry | Feb 27, 2007 12:08:11 PM
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