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April 28, 2007
Stewart retreats, but skepticism remains
By DAVID GREEN
Last night at Paducah International Raceway, the dirt track in western Kentucky in which three Nextel Cup drivers share ownership, there was a sequence of spins and crashes as drivers attempted to get one of the division features started. "Let's not have too many debris caution flags, now," the track announcer intoned.
The reference was obvious. Tony Stewart is one of the partners in the PIR ownership, and Stewart, earlier in the day, had been called on the carpet because of his criticism of NASCAR.
The summation of what Stewart said, how NASCAR responded to it, and Stewart's retreat from his strident remarks leaves one thing unchanged -- there is a healthy skepticism about NASCAR and its conduct of racing.
Basically, NASCAR's leadership believes there's no place in their sport anymore for subtleties. Everything has to be over-the-top. NASCAR is hardly alone in that attitude. It is pervasive in our society today. It may seem ironic that sanctioning body officials have stomped hard on their least-subtle, most over-the-top competitor, but of course they squashed him because he wasn't singing the company tune, not because he didn't sing loudly enough.
Recently, I wrote in a response to another blogger's post that sagging attendance and TV ratings for NASCAR events is due to rising costs of attending races and overexposure of the product. I think there's another factor, not that it has not been invisible to observers of the sport -- namely, that NASCAR's policies are turning off many long-time fans, who feel racing ought to be conducted with more consistency and common sense than we often see in stock car racing's major league.
It's fairly well accepted, if not officially acknowledged, that modifications such as the green-white-checker rule were adopted as a sop to the noisy segment of the fan population who screamed they had been cheated any time a race reached its conclusion under yellow-flag conditions.
This notion and NASCAR's pandering to it are unprecedented in legitimate sport. It is tantamount to adjusting the score in a football, baseball or basketball game in order to prevent a blowout and instead set the stage for a hail-Mary pass, walk-off home run, or buzzer-beating shot in every game.
And anyone is honestly surprised when the organization that conducts itself by such guiding policies is compared to professional wrestling?
If NASCAR believes this is the way it should go, I just wish it would stop being coy and half-hearted about it. Let's just take it to the "X-treme" -- call a halt to every race with 10 or so laps to go, allow everybody to pit and make any modifications they may wish to make to their cars. Let's make it a 30-minute intermission, to give the TV networks time to hammer viewers with commercials.
Then, let's line the field up in double-file order, based on the positions in which they were running when we reached the 10-to-go mark; give out five or six Lucky Dog awards to fan favorites who may have fallen from contention; and have a sprint to the finish.
To keep things interesting, we could do this at intervals throughout the race, setting up a sequence of adrenalin-stimulating "battles" that would be riveting even to attention-deficit-disorder-afflicted "fans" who find nothing entertaining in old-fashioned duels of opportunity and varied strategic approaches to a long-distance auto race, who cannot accept that one guy sometimes gets it just right and whips the field soundly. That, they will assure you in no uncertain terms, is NOT what they pay good money to see.
If you think we are all that far from just such a scenario right now, you're not paying attention very well.
If that is pleasing to the masses, it will be a rousing success. Few traditional race fans will know about it, and most of them won't care any more than NASCAR will miss them.
We'll find ourselves more and more immersed in local short-track action, where the officiating is more consistent and makes better sense, and where even the track announcer shuns political correctness.
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Comments
There are some things in bicycle racing that NASCAR could use. There are "bonus sprints," where the leader at a given point gets points. You could announce two or three during the race, perhaps 30 laps before the event. "Gentlemen, lead lap 86 and get 20 points!" There is another form of racing where the last car on every lap is eliminated from the race, or cars could be eliminated as they are lapped.
Some such things might be entertaining, and could even be called honest as long as the rules are clear and applied evenly, which is the big problem NASCAR has now. Would it still be NASCAR racing as we old-time fans know it? No, but maybe we're dinosaurs if we remember that there was another guy named Earnhardt whose first name isn't Junior, or if we remember when the 43 car won races, or when three Cups in a row was the big news (1976-78.) Seen any dinosaurs lately?
Make up your rules, apply them clearly and evenly. Let the fans decide if they like the resulting product.
Good job again, David. Thanks.
Posted by: Doug in CA | Apr 28, 2007 11:53:11 AM
Good post David.
I knew how you felt about overexposure and I am glad you added in the changes.I think you are correct,in that most older fans will be gone when they do to many changes.I have just about reached that point.I may go to more local events and if the new point system in NHRA works out,that is my new sport.
Posted by: Short Lady | Apr 28, 2007 12:18:42 PM
Sorry about the second post of the day, but it hit me that Tony compared NASCAR to WWE, and that reinforces my theory. Everyone knows that WWE is totally entertainment, scripted to the max, and it has a huge audience that knows exactly what it's getting. NASCAR is selling one product while (perhaps?) giving us another, and that's dishonest.
Posted by: Doug in CA | Apr 28, 2007 12:35:48 PM
Doug,
It looks like it is me and you today.Have they ran everbody else off already?LOL
When they put the chase in 4 years ago,one of my customers told me that Nascar was no longer a sport,only entertainment.He also said that long time fans would have to accept that.I disagree.I think we have other choices and with the ratings and empty seats,some people have already done that.
We have some good racing today,with Busch and those beautiful,boxy trucks.Let's enjoy!
Posted by: Short Lady | Apr 28, 2007 2:56:30 PM
NA$CAR has left us old fans a long time ago. The old time NA$CAR fan is not wanted, we are the black sheep at the family reunion. I have honestly come to the point that I am ready to leave. I used to love CART and came to the same point. I vote with my dollar and my dollar does not go to NA$CAR or any of their offical sponsors.
It's sad really. Grow up a Southern Boy, dream of racing, watch it for as long as I can remember and get to the point you hate it. I don't like the currant leadership of NA$CAR and we need a Dale Sr. type leader to stand up and make some changes.
Posted by: Tony | Apr 28, 2007 4:36:00 PM
David,
Nice post. I just read David Poole's article, which chastises Tony for his comments, and I had to keep from gagging. Give me a break. Tony only had the balls to say what everyone else has thought about saying. No, I don't agree that Nascar is fixed, but I sure have gotten suspicious on the timing of some of the "debris" cautions!!!
Thanks,
Ironman
Posted by: Ironman | Apr 28, 2007 9:16:38 PM
Nice post! I don't believe that Nascar fixes the races to favor certain drivers, but I do believe they manipulate the race itself. Although I have never actually tracked it, it does seem that "Phantom Cautions" often come out when field gets too strung out and they are afraid that there won't be an exciting close finish.
As far as the comparison to WWE ... I seem to believe that the WWF/WWE used to also claim legitimacy. Once they figured out that everyone knew that was a farce and came anyways ... well, why pretend anymore.
Like my grandma used to say ... "Dance with the one that brought you" Nascar either doesn't think it needs the longtime loyal race fans ... thinks that true Nascar fans will still show up for races and spend their money ... or thinks that the "occasional fans" will get interested in the drama and spend money ... IMO it all boils down to money. IMO Nascar has gotten greedy and the money from the grass roots of this wonderful sport isn't enough and they need more.
Does anyone believe that Tony didn't get fined and put on probation for questioning Nascar? Has Nascar ever waiting this long after a race to issue a penalty? Would have loved to have been a fly on the wall of that meeting! I can't imagine what Nascar threatened Tony with to get that complete turn around. I've seen the interviews, they just don't seem completely sincere to me.
Posted by: NascarCowboy | Apr 28, 2007 9:57:18 PM
Oops! Just 3 more things.
I am so thankful that my employer doesn't control what I say when I am on my own personal time. Everyone moans and groans about their bosses and co-workers! I'd been fired along time ago!
I guess those boys in the booth should stop saying "Folks, if we can find the debris, we'll show it to you" (I'm paraphrasing) Nascar might revoke their credentials.
And last, if Nascar is that worried about their integrity ... show us the darn debris!
Posted by: NascarCowboy | Apr 28, 2007 10:06:16 PM
I don't like Tony, but I agree 100% with what he said and it is about time NASCAR got slapped with a reality check. Tony will ultimately be punished for his comments on a show that is not in control by NASCAR, how is that possible. I guess NASCAR will come into my TV room and fine me for profanity and talking negative about their lame calls next.
LeeU
Posted by: Lee Underwood | Apr 28, 2007 10:11:41 PM
Tony Stewart has been accused of impugning NASCAR's integrity. That would only be true if NASCAR had integrity which it doesn't.
Posted by: Barb G | Apr 28, 2007 10:23:33 PM
The thing that I found curious about David Poole's most recent column was the contrast between that one and his previous piece on this subject. In "Stewart is hardly the first to fault NASCAR's use of yellow flag," posted April 26, Poole concludes by writing:
"What should happen to Stewart after what he said Tuesday night? Nothing. He’s not the problem here. / The problem is that there are people who will listen to him when he says the things he said. / That’s the one NASCAR has to fix."
Now, he wants to take Stewart to the woodshed for offering the criticism just because fringe-element "conspiracy theorists" embrace it. Well, Dave, they probably embraced your April 26 column, too, because you correctly pointed out that "the sport has a major integrity issue."
It isn't only the loonies who imagine Brian France and Mike Helton and Jim Hunter flying around on "black ops" missions in stealth helicopters who find it easy to believe what Stewart said.
I seriously doubt Stewart was trying to be a "hero" when he condemned NASCAR. I believe he probably exaggerated what he truly believes about NASCAR's conduct of races, but -- as Poole noted and as all of us are aware -- he merely said something that just about all of us are or have been talking about. That, and not blowing off his post-race date with the media, is what netted him the $10k fine, no matter what NASCAR says about it. If believing that makes me a conspiracy theorist, so be it.
Thanks to all who weighed in on this.
Posted by: David Green | Apr 28, 2007 10:43:12 PM
The criteria for the way NASCAR race officials throw the debris yellow has changed. Anyone who has been around the sport and has monitored the race official's two-way radio conversations can tell. Debris cautions are for safety. They used to have the track "corner men" monitor their respective positions. If they spotted debris , the radio chatter would be aimed at trying to determine what it was, what it was made out of and was it located on a portion of the track that would cause a safety issue? A chunk of rubber did not qualify as a reason for a yellow; a tire carcass did if it was in the racing groove. A piece of roll bar foam padding or a driver's glove was not a reason for a yellow. A piece of sheet metal or car part, such as a hunk of smoldering brake rotor was. If a car's motor grenaded, but the driver dropped it immediately onto the apron; no caution. If he oiled down the track; caution. If something was on the racing surface, but they could not determine what it was; caution. It was common sense.
These days, the yellow flies for anything located anywhere.
As for Stewart, he will be singing the praises of NASCAR, at least for a while. Trust me he was given the old "We can get along fine without you" routine in his visit to the NASCAR trailer.
Posted by: dr | Apr 29, 2007 8:28:06 AM
There is a column here call “Just Shut UP!” While, I don’t mean to steal his line or thunder. I got a Just Shut UP!
FANS! JUST SHUT UP ABOUT JEFF GORDON!
Here I am, a big Tony Stewart fan, and I see a bunch of whiners and crybabies on TV. They don’t even drive a car! The fans display of throwing beer cans, drinks, and other object cause all of us to be label as backwoods redneck. Right now, I am ashamed to be a NASCAR fan.
I love watching a NASCAR races. Even all the faults that I find with NASCAR sanctioning body, no other sport gives me a charge as watching NASCAR race. I cheer for Tony and yell at other drivers, but I never would be so tasteless as to throw ANYTHING on a track. That is disrespecting the drivers that put the lives on the line to race for US! That is disrespecting those that have died to race on any track. Those disrespecting each and every NASCAR fan that has to put with those few dim wits out there that throw crap on a track. I am thankful that those that did throw stuff were arrested and hopefully be banned for life from that track.
I listen and read people calling Tony, Jeff Gordon, and even Dale Jr crybabies and whiners. I usually chalk that up to friendly war of word with those people. One, my driver doesn’t need me to defend him. Two, it doesn’t get me upset when I see those comments. I just roll my eyes and move on. This isn’t like that at all because it the pots call the kettle black. Pathetic really, to think that we can no longer boo a driver, cough* Kyle Bush for me*cough, that we a few knuckle heads that throw crap on the track.
If I could get a note or send a comment to Tony about his next show on Sirius Radio, I would ask him to call out those fans that love to throw things on a the track and tell them what the real NASCAR fans think of them. On second thought, I will do it myself. GO BACK TO TRAILER PARK YOU CAME FROM AND STAY THERE!!!!!
Posted by: WBinCC | Apr 29, 2007 6:16:56 PM
Hell, yeah, skeptisicm remains! They called a good race today - I wonder why? Guess what - we also got to see every piece of debris that yellow was thrown for!
Thanks, Tony. Seriously.
NASCAR bullied Smoke into his "retraction", no doubt about that. Got to hand it to him for takin' his medicine. Especially when every one knows his "apology" is 100% bullshit. Nice job. What else is he gonna do?
Irony was so thick today it wasn't even funny. Oh well - unfortunately that just gives NASCAR more "see - I told you so" ammo.
But, we know the truth. Seen it for to long.
Congrats to JG - even though I don't like 'im - he handled the question about a bunch of redneck morons with class.
And once again thanks to Kyle for allowing me the pleasure of seeing some HMS machinery torn the f**k up.
Sorry, Casey that you don't have better teammates.
Posted by: the6and9 | Apr 29, 2007 7:28:01 PM
Maybe there's a connection here, gang -- the way NASCAR is administering "competition," perhaps that's the crowd they're attracting -- character-deficient types who pelt the track with beer cans when there's something about the finish that they don't like.
Posted by: David Green | Apr 29, 2007 8:56:13 PM
Geez, David, I hadn't thought of that.
I'm glad Gordon won today, and I'm glad he won number 77 at Talladega, but I will admit that the yellow should have come out sooner for Reutimann's engine. Surely they knew there would be oil on the track.
Posted by: Kurt Smith | Apr 29, 2007 9:41:19 PM
As NASCAR continues to lose its fan base, management will hire a $$$consulting firm to find out what is wrong...then they will hear the same things that Tony told them for free. Only the fans are standing in the gap with Tony right now...the fans don't seem to matter anymore in the NASCAR equation for success.
Posted by: Jim | Apr 30, 2007 7:58:45 AM
Hey David,
This all sounds so familiar. I would be in favor of heat races if it would lead to seeing all the green flag racing. Everything changes. As said before, if it's a tv caution, call it. Same with a competition caution. Just call it what it is.
Congrats to the 24 and his fans.
Posted by: Larry | Apr 30, 2007 8:21:44 PM
Great article David! NASCAR found a way to spank Tony Sunday for comments.
NASCAR will continue their nonsense until the fan base dies down-maybe then the "omnipotent" leaders go back to the formula that got people interested in racing in the first place.
If anyone caught Dave Despain last night-I agree wholeheartedly with him about the disgruntled, unruly fans that threw cans at Gordon. Not a fan of Gordon but he is one heck of a driver.
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