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May 05, 2008
Quit Whining, It Was Just Racin'
By Mark Young
OK people, after two full days of listening to people talk about how Kyle Busch purposely wrecked Dale Earnhardt Junior on Saturday night and cost Dale a win, I have officially had it. Yes, Kyle drove agresivly into turn 3, I don't deny it. Did he do it to purposely wreck Dale? Hell no!! I have watched the replay on my DVR so many times the box was smoking. Kyle Busch was doing his job. He was trying to win a race. Should he have realized he was racing Dale Earnhardt Jr. the most popular driver in NASCAR and let up and finish second? Hell No!! What Kyle Busch did on Saturday was no different than moves we have seen Dale Earnhardt Sr. do many times.........QUIT WHINING!!
U WANT SOME?
Sometimes I think race fans have short memories. How many of you remember the two times Dale Earnhardt wrecked Terry LaBonte at Bristol? He won one of them and punted Terry to the win the other time. I booed and was flat out pissed off when Sr. wrecked LaBonte to win........and Dale Earnhardt is my hero. I have his number tattooed on my arm, named my dog after him, heck I wanted Earnhardt to be part of my first born son's name (my wife won that battle). But regardless of all that what he did then was wrong. If Kyle had rammed Junior's rear bumper and purposely punted him like Sr. did years ago then I would be mad. But I'm not. It was just racin'.
What I am trying to point out is, that even though nobody wants to say it, Kyle Busch does things in a race car that I haven't seen anyone do since Dale died. Granted I can't stand to listen to Kyle talk because of his arrogance, or confidence if you prefer, but I am one of very few Earnhardt fans that I know who will admit that the kid is amazing and that he didn't wreck Junior on purpose. The kid is young and immature. Just wait and see what will happen when he sees the big picture and starts using his head a little more.
Yes, Junior was mad after the race, who wouldn't be? But I can guarantee you that once he saw the replay he likely admitted it was just a racing deal. Dale used his head and handled things the right way. So why are so many people crying foul? Junior will get a win this year, no doubt about it. As an Earnhardt fan it is times like these that I would rather just say I am a racing fan than be lumped in with the ones who throw stuff onto the track and cry foul forgetting about the things that The Intimidator did back in the day. Junior handled like a man, it is time his fans did too.
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Amen, brother.
Too aggressive in going for the win in the final laps?
I think not!
Thing is - love it or hate it - Shrub would have raced that way on lap 4...and probably did.
Did the 18 drive in too hard? He certainly pushed up in the center with the rotors glowin'. Or did the 88 not give him any room? He was certainly pinching him and comin' down on exit.
Who cares!!!
It was for the win! And...guess what?
That's Racin'!!!
(and although I didn't see the entire race - that's about all the racin' I saw after the red flag lifted.) W'sup with that? It was f ckin' Richmond. One of the best of the night races. Kind of dissappointed in the event. But, like I said...I didn't see the whole thing.
Feel sorry for Hillenburg, though. Not a great way to re-open the Rock.
Posted by: the6and9 | May 5, 2008 11:34:14 PM
btw - "when he sees the big picture and starts using his head a little more" will be when the amazement ends.
Posted by: the6and9 | May 5, 2008 11:35:38 PM
I just don't know WHAT sets nascar fans off about Kyle?...Arrogant? I don't see it...Cocky? Hell Yes! But wasn't Dale Sr? Darrell Waltrip? The Allison? Rusty? and Tony Stewart?...I like drivers who have the "fire"!...nascar has all but neutered the sport...so it's about damn time we get to see emotion!...I am a Dale Earnhardt Sr fan to the core I too have his #3 and all of his Championships permenatly inked on my arm...get over Jr nation, nobody raised a ruckus when Dale Jr wrecked out Kyle at Kansas last year! In my racing career I've been on both sides of THAT fence...It was going for the win...In the words of Ricky Bobby, "If you ain't First, Your Last" Copyright 2006 Ricky Bobby Inc, It stipulates in my contract that I mention Powerade, So I just want to say Powerade is delicious, It cools you off on hot summer day, and we are all looking to the release of Powerade's new flavor Mystical U Want Some.
Posted by: Fan #5 | May 6, 2008 12:07:04 AM
The 3 wide for the lead was cool, but otherwise a rather dull (never thought I'd say that) Richmond race.
#5 - You're exactly right.
BUT...he has a knack for comin' across as a slick haired little asshole. Don't know why. I think it's all in delivery. The exact same words can come out of another driver's mouth and it comes across as "badass, passionate, fired-up racer"...his delivery says "I'm an arrogant little prick". I dunno. It is what it is.
That said - the kid amazes me every week, and where I used to f ckin' hate the sight of his car on the track or wish it was in the wall, I find myself wondering about and watching for the ways that the 18 is gonna make the race a spectacle and something worth talking about.
I'd hate to call myself a Shrubfan, but...
Hands down, right now - that 18 car is THE show.
And how can you NOT like somebody who leaves it all on the track?
Kudos to the way Jr handled the situation. WTF was Denny thinkin'? And finally, I both love and hate what Mikey did. Take no shit, but next time - use your head.
Posted by: the6and9 | May 6, 2008 1:06:40 AM
Finally! Some sanity put forth by one of the bloggers. Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you.
Posted by: canucken | May 6, 2008 1:09:14 AM
Mark Young - "OK people, after two full days of listening to people talk about how Kyle Busch purposely wrecked Dale Earnhardt Junior on Saturday night and cost Dale a win"
Funny how some people know... they JUST KNOW what is in a drivers head and his intentions isn't it?
It's been said once here but bares peating:
Where was the outcry when Earnhardt dumped Busch last October in Kansas?
That accident in the Chase effectively ended Busch's title hopes, dropping him from 10 points out of the points lead to sixth in the standings, 136 out.
I find it highly disingenuous of some that spent the last few years crying their little red eyes out about NASCAR losing it's roots but when someone like Kyle "The Desperado" Busch comes along that typifies NASCAR's past they all whine til the cows come home.
You all wanted it, now you get a small measure of it...shut up about it.
canucken - "Finally! Some sanity put forth by one of the bloggers. Thank-you, thank-you, thank-you."
Gee, getting tired of the nutcakes that reside over at Kathy's that do nothing but cry and whimper about "their driver" as if they own him?
Posted by: marc | May 6, 2008 4:48:36 AM
Mark,
Actually, I didn't care that Shrub rubbed on Dale. I spent most of the final laps pissed at Hamlin for causing the caution that let him get up there in the first place. Not that I see a Gibbs or Toyota conspiracy. I think Hamlin was doing his petulant little boy act because his race was over.
I suppose it happens in all sports. New talent gets compared to that sport's greats. The Ruth's, Aaron's, Jordan's, Montana's, Earnhardt's, Gretzsky's, etc. are the yardsticks we measure sporting achievements with. So, while personally thinking the comparison is a bit premature, it should be considered as nothing less than a great complement to Sr. by the fans. Who knows, if he can sustain it for a number of years, and parlay it into a championship or three, I might even make it.
Waltrip is a moron. The Toyota executive, who signed off on Waltrip representing the face of Toyota in NASCAR, probably doesn't even wonder any more why he gets miniature Seppuku swords at the office Christmas party.
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 6:50:01 AM
When I saw the title of this blog, I expected to see Keith's byline. LOL
The premise here reminds me of my dad saying "Well, just b/c so-and-so did that, doesn't make it right or excuse you doing it." So by virtue of Dale Sr's tradition of "racin' hard" and punting if necessary, that makes it okay for all drivers after him to do it too? There's a fine line and yeah, the only guy who knows if wreckin' Dale Jr. was intentional or not, is Shrub.
Didn't he say something like, he'd wreck whoever he had to, to win a race?
I'm with 6and9, I can't stand the Shrub and yet, I know sure as sh*t, he's the force to reckon with at every race (Craftsman, NW and Cup) this year. He's on a mission. If the media didn't shove it at us CONSTANTLY that Jr is winless for X number of races/years now, it wouldn't be so bitter to see him thisclose to a win, only to wreck. I'm not a crazed Jr fan, but if he wins, all the drama and hype will die down.
This current ruckous will fade away. Remember when Vickers wrecked JJ or JG to win a year or two ago? That boy needed security, too.
As for Hamlin's reign and then pain ... hehehe, loved the last part. He's another arrogant doofus. One driver/team leads 397+/- laps? On a short track? That's just wrong.
And why does any idiotic thing Waltrip does surprise anyone, anymore?
Posted by: Doris | May 6, 2008 9:36:36 AM
Jr Nation wont quit whining cause that is what they do best. They spend their days voting so their driver can actually WIN something and writing emails to everyone and anyone whining about everything and anything. Dont buy M&Ms booooo hoooo, dont buy Pedigree boooo hooooo. The only thing more embarassing than the fact Dale's boy has no balls is his loser fanbase!!
Posted by: 3and18 | May 6, 2008 9:58:45 AM
Ive only been following Nascar since 2000. so the old history is foreign to me but I get it. When I decided to choose a driver Jr was a choice but there were already enough going that route after Sr's death. I have never disliked him, in fact I have always have been impressed with the way he carries himself and his humility. My respect for him, while being interviewed by Krista Voda, has grown immeasurably. When Larry McReynolds started the "Needing security" comments and the booth just kept hyping it up it infuriated me and then it was if a switch went off it someones head and common sence kicked in and they spent the next ten minutes back pedaling. The first thing out of Kristas mouth was to ask Jr. If Kyle was going to need security. Without thinking about it Jr. instantly said "no one should need security". What impressed me most was that the fact that this kid had all the attention thrust onto him by his fathers death and at the time of an extremely frustrating ending, was the most reasoned person after such a disapointment. Im still going to root for my guy but I wouldn't mine seeing Jr. do well. And Yes Kyle went in to hot and Jr. pinched him down. Both needed to do that and both did. THATS RACIN
Posted by: Bob | May 6, 2008 10:34:56 AM
3and18,
The only morons that whine more than the Jr. fan base are the jealous morons that whine about the Jr fan base. Oops, my bad, I guess you're in that demographic.
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 10:46:48 AM
Doris,
I'm assuming that's because you found it to be an exceptionally well written title ;-)
Can't really blame the media for hyping things. If Jr. wasn't news, we'd never hear about it, and that would be bad news.
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 11:54:53 AM
Keith,
Well seein' as you are a Jr fan maybe you can edumucate me on what this brewha below would be considered?
MARS owns all of the candies and dogfood that have appeared on VK car. Including Snickers, M&M's, Pedigree, and others. This is who we should all e-mail. Lets get our point across that we are SICK of his crap. Tell them how you feel and that you refuse to support their company unless he is no longer associated with it.
More
I have already e-mailed M&M and JGR. I am e-mailing Toyota, and tomorrow calling the local toyota dealership. To bad we can't picket them.
I was going to e-mail Fedex, but they are already not allowed on my property. When ever I order something I tell the people it has to come UPS or USPS. If they say fedex I cancel the order.
Hoo Hoo Maybe them candyasses need to find them a kinder gentler sport. Tiddlywinks perhaps!! Maybe Lil E needs to switch his sponsor to KLEENEX!
Posted by: 3and18 | May 6, 2008 1:18:33 PM
It strikes me funny that all the old-school fans that pine for things to be the way they were 'back in the day' didn't show up at Rockingham to watch Joey Logano nearly lap the entire field, like the drivers did 'back in the day'.
I had hoped Andy H. would have come close to filling the place, and get some interest in getting it back on the NASCAR schedule.
Posted by: FedEx Guy | May 6, 2008 1:40:19 PM
3and18,
Actually, I call that freedom. Freedom to express oneself. And, for every one of those nearsighted opinions, were twenty Jr. fans who, just as Jr. did, expressed it as just racin'. So, now, if you want to challenge me, I can go find you as many BS posts by Busch fans or Gordon fans, etc. I'll have to wait until you log on again though, since you're too cowardly to use a proper email address.
BTW, you're kind of proving my point with your continual whining. But you go for it. You also have freedom of expression.
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 1:44:20 PM
Fedex,
I watched a good portion of it on the TV. I thought the track looked good, which was mainly what I was looking for. I didn't expect a miracle crowd for an ARCA race. Rockinham isn't off the respirator just yet, but it least it took a breath on it's own.
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 1:50:44 PM
3and18 -
I'm of the opinion that anyone, Jr. nation or otherwise, who doesn't see it for what it is - is an idiot. Plain and simple. And that goes for any racing incident, not just this one. I wouldn't profile the entire J-nation on account of a bunch of jackasses that don't know racin' when they see it.
I love that NASCAR fans are as passionate about the sport as they are...but some of them are just plain ol' maroons. And you'll find that most of these kind of fans actually think the term "redneck" is a f cking compliment.
My question:
IF it was intentional - IF it was a "wreck him to win it" scenario...then why did he lock up the brakes and smoke the tires in check-up in turn 2 of the same lap? Why did he lock 'em up and smoke the tire laps before that runnin' on the bottom with the 88 and 11 on the outside when he had the chance to take out the only other 2 contenders for the win?
And how about a thumbs up to Bowyer for drivin' his ass off all night to put himself in the position to win in case a racin' incident happened!?!
Posted by: the6and9 | May 6, 2008 1:57:00 PM
Arrogance, Cocky, Entitlement, Whatever, he certainly ain’t Starstruck. With Hendricks and Gibbs most of his teammates won multiple championships, hell even his older brother has bragging rights. Add to that the comparisons to Sr. and I can’t wait to see what happens next!
Gibbs Conspiracy? Why not? It’s not who wins the Battle it’s who wins the War!
Posted by: JoeyD | May 6, 2008 2:35:11 PM
6&9,
They're a darkish red? LOL, maybe that's why they're called rednecks.
Okay, let's add Harvick and Burton to Bowyer for an overall good day for RCR.
And, as long as I'm doing team congrats...DEI had a solid day.
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 2:39:11 PM
the6 and9:
"BUT...he has a knack for comin' across as a slick haired little asshole. Don't know why. I think it's all in delivery. The exact same words can come out of another driver's mouth and it comes across as "badass, passionate, fired-up racer"...his delivery says "I'm an arrogant little prick". I dunno. It is what it is."
That was the best description of how I feel about Kyle Busch I've ever heard!! Thanks for giving me something to laugh about concerning that wreck! The kid can drive until he starts to believe everything the broadcasters (DW) are saying about him. Then he gets a little "over confident" (runs out of talent)
Mark, Dale Jr. did handle it like a man and quite honestly made me a little ashamed of myself for how I cussed KB after the wreck. After thinking about it the actual a**hole in the whole thing is Hamlin! Keith I agree!!
Posted by: Wayner | May 6, 2008 3:04:42 PM
Fed Ex Guy...did you go to the race @ Rockingham?Some of you think it wasn't a sucess based on the # of fans you THINK were at the race.It's not about having Nascar come back to race.It was about bringing racing back to the Rock and that was what happened and Hillenberg is calling it a sucess.I was there,and yes a little disappointed with the attendence.However,listening to Andy after the race and listening to others that were in the media area after the race could see that he was smiling from ear to ear.The show was a good show even though one car had Gibbs backing,crew and a Denny Hamlin car.If you went you would have seen the whole track and find plenty of good racing.Again,you like the racing in Cali better?Good for you.As for me personally and the ones that actually went it was a good time and met lots of nice people from the area and beyond while tailgating..Read up on yourdailyjournal.com and get the real deal on about what Andy feels.It doesn't matter what you think or I think.
You didn't see the inside of the suits did you?You didn't see all us covering turn 1 and 2?Fans were not all together but scattered all throughout turn 4 down to coming off turn 2.It was an ARCA race.Not Cup.Racing IS back at Rockingham.Good job Andy!!
That was off topic Mark....but I agree with most of what you said.Not a Jr fan and really not a 18 fan.While I appreciate his driving skill and aggression,namely because he hasn't taken any of my drivers out...his last few post race half ass apologies and arrogance has soured on me.However,that kinda of stuff is good for Nascar.I can appreciate Jr taking the high road sorta in his post race interview and he is correct as far as the line of drivers he has ticked off this year.Reminds of of some of the best drivers ever in Cup though.
Jr will get his victory soon and all will be well in Jr Nation.Kyle is working on punting the wrong someone or sticking his large beak in a drivers face that will teach the kid a lesson.Good stuff and good for Nascar,TV, and the fans.........
Posted by: DJ | May 6, 2008 3:45:28 PM
DJ,
I take exception to the feeling that there is anything wrong in Jr. Nation. Third in the points; good runs. Nothing is amiss. Maybe, if reporters like Jenna Fryer, actually took a pulse on the Jr. fans, instead of trying to write something demeaning and insulting to them, based on a few stories she heard, she'd see it was slow and steady. Did she even go to the track?
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 5:52:26 PM
Keith.....just basing all that comment on the obvious uproar of Jr fans about the 18 and 88 issue on Saturday nite.He was close and got taken out.That's all.If I was a Jr fan I would be upset as well.But I would not,as you say with the good year otherwise he is having,be miffed for long.Sorry you took an exception as that was not the intent......
Posted by: DJ | May 6, 2008 6:04:49 PM
I agree that this is much ado about nothing. It's called racing not follow the leader. I have a lot of respect for Mark Martin but 43 Mark Martins on the track would equal one boring race.
People keep saying that they want to see guys race hard and go for the win instead of points racing and when someone finally does race hard for the win people still complain.
What Kyle did was no different than what Kevin Harvick did to Tony Stewart earlier this year at Bristol. Kevin drove in too hard, pushed up into Tony and Tony wrecked as a result. It wasn't intentional, it was just hard racing at the end of a race. And unlike Saturday night at Richmond, there was no big outcry when Harvick got into Bristol. Everyone, even Tony, understood it was just racing.
Jr fans need to realize that the world doesn't revolve around him and that he isn't the first, nor the last driver that has been on the wrong end of a racing deal. It happens. Get over it.
Posted by: Ken | May 6, 2008 6:22:27 PM
DJ,
Brother, my exception was not with you, a fellow fan, but with the media, who seem to be trying to make this an issue. To Jr. fans it was just like Jr. said...hard racin'. Nobody gets paid to race for second and Jr. fans wouldn't have it any other way. Neither would Kyles fans.
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 6:30:11 PM
Ken,
See you jumped on that, "Jr. fans are stupid bandwagon." You don't support your driver with the same fervor? It's all media. BTW, who's your driver?
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 6:32:43 PM
This rush to proclaim KB the next Dale Sr. is really silly, IMO. There's no comparison to the quality of the equipment KB has had in NASCAR since day 1. Sr. did not have any where NEAR the level of support that KB has now and has had. So call me when Kyle's brain catches up with his body and he wins 7 championships. Talk to me then about how great he is.
The real story was Hamlin stopping on the track. KB wouldn't have been in Junior's zip code if not for that. And the sad part is, Hamlin STILL doesn't get that what he did was stupid. I'd say he lost a ton of respect from the other drivers.
Posted by: Karie | May 6, 2008 7:22:01 PM
Fedex Guy,
If gas wasn't a zillion bucks a gallon, there may have been more people show up. If gas prices continue to rise, or even stay where they're at, my lifetime seats at TMS will be empty again this fall.
DJ,
Five cars on the lead lap...you can have that shit. I'll find a damned ballgame of some sort to watch if I want boredom. Golf. Baseball. Something. Racing of any kind should not be that boring, and if it is - I ain't watching it for too long.
I am glad that Andy feels the weekend was a success (that's really all that matters, I guess) and I agree with you wholeheartedly that it ain't about gettin' NASCAR back. Places like the Rock, North Wilkesboro, Texas World Speedway, Pike's Peak, Nashville, and Nazareth all deserve QUALITY stock car racing of some sort, be it NASCAR, ARCA, ASA, or some other body.
Posted by: the6and9 | May 6, 2008 7:33:24 PM
Karrie -
Sr had a "wreckers or checkers" mentality as does the Lil' Busch.
Sr had a "rub me - I'll take you out" mentality as does the Shrub.
Sr had a "I don't give a shit who I wreck - and if I wreck 'em it damn sure ain't my fault - That's Racin'" mentality as does the younger of the Prick brothers.
Sr had a "I can take the best equipment on the track and tear the shit out of it and keep on racin'" mentality as does...
Well, you get my point.
The next Sr? Hell, there's no next ANYbody. But, there are some striking similarities in attitude and style that can't be denied. Don't forget that Sr was the most hated driver at one time (ok - many times) as well.
Posted by: the6and9 | May 6, 2008 7:43:35 PM
6&9,
Sr. had personality and raced in a different age. Kyle, will never be the leader Earnhardt was. I don't see Kyle doing anything for anybody but Kyle. As for driving skills, long sustained achievements speak for themselves.
BTW, I had an email to you but it bounced back.
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 7:57:20 PM
the6and9,I totally agree with the five cars on the lead lap deal.That is why I said you had to be there to watch some good racing because you know TV will only show the leaders.It would have been only 2 had not 3 cautions come out late.So yep,that part was boring.I had beer,so it was ok....Gas prices and all I'm sure had an effect on the attendence as it will on racing,vacations,whatever in the near future.Crazy man...3.59 here and I am only a few miles from the Rock.
Keith,cool and I understand your point.
Posted by: DJ | May 6, 2008 8:04:27 PM
Man I wish I could join the fun while I am at work!! OK, lots to talk about here so I will number them.
1. ANY fan that thinks they should write a driver's sponsor to complain about something that happened on the track needs to get a life, go fishing, donate time at a retirement home......maybe unplug their computer. To Keith's point it is a part of Freedom but c'mon people it is also silly.
2. JoeyD - WTF are you gettin' at? KB's teammates had multiple titles because they had driven longer than one year!! C'mon man, give the kid some credit, he is a damn good driver.
3. Is KB the second coming of Earnhardt? HELL NO. Is Lebron James the second coming of Jordan? HELL NO. I'm drawing comparisons here people.
4. Good for Rockingham!! I wish I had watched it. I hope Andy has a great future.
"I'm gonna stop buying M&M's because of Kyle Busch"......that's funny stuff there.
Posted by: Mark Young | May 6, 2008 8:09:47 PM
Dude, who cares if people want to talk about it? I'm still talking about it...I'm pissed! I will get over it when I feel like it.
Posted by: Joe | May 6, 2008 8:20:53 PM
Joe,
Let it fly man!! That is what these blogs are for.......if you are pissed tell us about it.
Posted by: Mark Young | May 6, 2008 8:23:54 PM
Chief,
Absolutely. Comparing styles to styles - not man to man. I don't know about skills...but, the boys got instinct. Or, is that lack of fear? You got to think he feels he's invincible by now, given everything he's wrecked and walked away from. And now with that f ckin' tank of a stock car they're racin'...
IMO - he races too hard to be able to points race. I could be wrong, but a Championship (Cup) is quite a ways off.
Try it again. My dumbass was clicking on the wrong e-mail.
Posted by: the6and9 | May 6, 2008 8:36:08 PM
3and18,
"MARS owns all of the candies and dogfood that have appeared on VK car. "
Who or what is "VK"?
Posted by: JWSmoke | May 6, 2008 8:40:59 PM
Just racing, good hard racing. Of course I don't want Kyle Busch racing my guy close at the end of a race because he's a little too "checkers or wreckers" for my tastes, but I honestly can't help but like the kid. Not too kosher when he opens his mouth but don't we all complain about vanilla, personality-less, corporate shill drivers? Most might take exception to what he says and how he says it, but by God, when Kyle Busch opens his mouth, you know it'll at least be entertaining. Felt bad for Junior but given how fabulously he's running and the fact that he is THE MAN at HMS right now, his 2008 wins--more than one--will come sooner rather than later.
Keith, come on throw us giggly, stalkerish Allstate girls--I mean, me and Doris--a bone; Kahne had a good run Saturday night too. ;)
Posted by: Kari | May 6, 2008 9:07:52 PM
Doris,
Are you the "Allstate" redhead? If so, I have a proposition for you lol!
Posted by: JWSmoke | May 6, 2008 9:11:40 PM
6&9,
Lack of a comprehension of fear separates the boy from the man. The boy may win in battles, the man comes home. LOL, I have uniforms older than Kyle. He may become a great driver, a legend. But, he's still young. How will he race as he learns what he can't do. How many races did Johnson win last year? This year? Kyle, while young takes risks, but that driving was fair, and real racing fans, in whatever camp, appreciate what both went thru to get to that showdown.
Pop me an email and I'll send what I was going to. I'm a Ret.Sr. Chief, and a damn good computer guy, I'm not afraid of emails.
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 9:17:25 PM
JWS,
Like all the girls on here haven't heard that before ;-)
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 9:26:34 PM
Kari,
I thought baby was the new man in your life. Kasey did indeed survive another female fan assault for a T10. Imagine how well he could do without...hmmmmm fans J/K
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 9:33:33 PM
For all the talk about Jr.Nation, I don't think I've seen one post in this thread that outright condemns Busch for what he did. Most seem to think it was 100% Thats Racin', while a few think, "Well, maybe he was a bit too agressive, but ..." As for me, if I can watch the replay 7 times and still not be sure who did what wrong, it's Just Racin'.
I've been sort of a Busch fan for a year or so. Not sure I like the guy, but he's gonna be one of the greats, and he's putting on a real show this year.
Posted by: Doug in CA | May 6, 2008 9:34:05 PM
Keith,
But I live in NYC - it could be a much better proposition LOL!
Posted by: JWSmoke | May 6, 2008 9:39:54 PM
Well, maybe not for us NASCAR fans since they'll probably kill the Time Square Victory Lap this year:(
Posted by: JWSmoke | May 6, 2008 9:43:03 PM
Mark-
L.M.F.A.O Thanks Bud.
Posted by: neverlift | May 6, 2008 9:43:19 PM
And when they kill the Times Square Victory Lap all the "fan fun" is gone, and in 2009 the Banquet will move to Vegas where they can have all the hoopla NASCAR wants.
Can you imagine a Victory Ride down the Strip? They could exceed 10 MPH - Woo Hoo!
Posted by: JWSmoke | May 6, 2008 9:52:38 PM
Doug,
Won't find one. Instant reaction is what the press picked up on. So, instant reaction is what the press used to make news. This is the true Jr.XXXXX.....scratch that, true fan, of any driver, reaction to that racing. It was just a thing.
Is Fontana going to be better next time?
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 10:11:05 PM
JWSmoke,
Maybe I should tell you about the time in 2004 when a girlfriend and I "happened" to land at the Waldorf on banquet night, where we "happened" to end up at the Dodge party (the Dodge horns logo ice sculpture they wheeled in gave it away). Funny thing is, Kahne, McMurray, Mayfield, Evernham, and Baldwin Jr. were all there, but I was too busy chatting up the guy at the bar I recognized first--my former commanding general in the Army--to try to rub elbows with any of them! I never found out why he got invited to the Nascar banquet.
Posted by: Kari | May 6, 2008 10:37:59 PM
LOL, Chief, Bad Call! Give him your card and then try to talk with the celebs. Otherwise, WTF be at the Waldorf with the drivers?????
Former Commanding Generals are a dime a dozen...Hee Hee!
Posted by: JWSmoke | May 6, 2008 10:48:46 PM
Oops, Sorry Kari - I didn't read all the way down and thought it was Keith.
BTW are You the Allstate Redhead? LOL!
Posted by: JWSmoke | May 6, 2008 10:55:08 PM
Of course two ladies can just "happen" to get in, whereas us male types just hit security when we try to crash in.
Go Figure!
Posted by: JWSmoke | May 6, 2008 10:57:32 PM
JWS,
I feel violated...LOL. Although, with a secret clearance, and a tux, I'd have gotten farther than you.
Posted by: Keith | May 6, 2008 11:11:19 PM
TS clearance here - which doesn't matter to NASCAR or seasoned Manhattan security types, what with "paparazzi" and all. Several C-notes matter a lot more...
Posted by: JWSmoke | May 6, 2008 11:16:08 PM
I feel like I should apologize to Mark for taking over his comments section.
JW, I had a TS too but in this case, the high heels worked just fine! And I think you insulted Keith in the worst possible way by insinuating he was an Army guy. Normally right here I'd say, "Go Army, Beat Navy," but since I don't think Army could beat the high school football team down the street, I won't embarrass myself that way so.....how about those Kansas Jayhawks??? ;)
Posted by: Kari | May 7, 2008 12:23:25 AM
LOL, they give you TS clearance in the Army if you correctly guess which end the bullet comes out. I would never be insulted by mistaking my service affiliation with another branch. A warriors a warrior. He had me picking up your General friend. Me, I like girls legs in heels, TYVM.
It's no surprise that a high level service person was at a driver event. The Big 6 (Navy, Marines, Army, Air Force, Coast Guard, National Guard) are stout supporters of NASCAR. NASCAR has always espoused their value of teamwork to accomplish a mission.
LOL, and don't worry about Mark. He's at work now and can't post. It's out of his control.
Posted by: Keith | May 7, 2008 8:42:08 AM
Thanx for the slight nod re Kahne's 10th place finish, Keith. I know you were choking over your keyboard.
JW -- not the Allstate redhead, but I consider all propositions long as NASCAR is involved.
Kari -- I'll be at Darlington three days this week. Wooo-hooo! Got pit passes for my daughter (her 25th b-day giftage) and me.
You will hear me if I run into Kahne in the pits. {big cheesy grin}
I'm over Jr's loss. Still despise Shrub. Wanna punch Hamlin. (Better not see him in the pits!)
Cheers y'all!!
Posted by: Doris | May 7, 2008 11:42:18 AM
I'm not even go there on this one.
No way!
Posted by: Diane Sadler | May 7, 2008 2:17:36 PM
Doris,
Nah, no choking, it was only a slight accomplishment. The Dodges are still lacking. Put Kahne in the Mears car or an RCR or Gibbs car and then we'd be raisin' Kahne.
Posted by: Keith | May 7, 2008 2:30:53 PM
Keith!
AMEN!!! Boy, I'm gonna cartwheel across my office now. Whatever the Dodges and GEM had in 2006 is flat gone. Here, Chevy, Chevy, Chevy...
Posted by: Kari | May 7, 2008 4:14:52 PM
Doris,
PICTURES!! Have fun! :)
Posted by: Kari | May 7, 2008 4:15:49 PM
