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May 30, 2009
Kyle vs. Dale Junior: A juicy topic
By DAVID GREEN
Kyle Busch: Outspoken, or arrogant?
Dale Earnhardt Jr.: Unlucky, or overrated?
Responses to such questions depend almost entirely on personal prejudice. Kyle Busch fans say their favorite is outspoken, and they like him partly because of that. Dale Jr. fans think Busch's recent remarks about their favorite driver enhance Busch's image as a punk, and believe Junior is a talented driver who is a victim of circumstances.
These opinions are theories, and the great thing about theories is that they cannot be proved or disproved. They can be supported; they can be questioned; they can be heatedly debated. Vociferously, with passion.
Even Busch's supporters (most of them) will admit Kyle can go a little too far sometimes in expressing himself. Whether he did in this particular instance, though, goes back to the original premise about opinions. In support of Busch's remarks, Junior does indeed have a checkered history with crew chief relationships; in undermining his purposes, he's the one dumped by Hendrick Motorsports to make room for Junior on that team.
Junior's supporters have some ammunition to back up their enthusiasm. At times, Junior has shown himself to be a solid competitor. He has won on just about every type of track, in fairly hefty numbers; he has won two championships in the junior division, now named the Nationwide Series. On the other hand, he has demonstrated flaws in his game, never more glaringly apparent than this year with the missed pit stall and other such "brain fade" incidents.
Busch supporters can rightly point out that Kyle had his difficulties, dating back to the tobacco settlement prohibition of his racing in the Truck Series before he turned 18. That temporarily derailed his career and eventually led him to switch from Roush Racing to Hendrick very early in his career. They can point out that not only did Kyle have to compete with a big brother who had won a Cup Series already, he was inevitably going to be compared to Kurt Busch, who in his early years had a reputation as a young punk much like Kyle does now.
That kind of stuff can affect a fellow.
Dale Jr. fans can right note the pressure that comes just with being named "Dale Earnhardt Jr." Nobody could ever fill the Simpson shoes Junior's dad laced up. They can point out the emotional turmoil of the messy separation of Junior from the team his father formed, and with which he had enjoyed all of his greatest successes.
The other side, in both arguments, can dismiss those things as excuses.
My opinions:
1. Busch is both outspoken and arrogant. Bottom line: He's the fastest thing on the track most Sundays (or Saturday nights, or whatever).
2. Junior's achievements don't measure up to his reputation and he has, indeed, had some situations that would almost certainly distract a fellow. Bottom line: He's better than his critics say and not as good as his most fervent fans believe.
One thing about which there can be little argument: Nobody makes better copy for journalists or better material for fans than these two guys.
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Comments
David, I have to agree, I'm in a Black and Silver Goodwrench bleeding #3 fan...Just not Jr fan, Not since Dale left us, TRUST me Things would be TOTALLY different.
Jr needs to man up and focus on BEING a CHAMPION...not Bar owner, Not a Rockstar, Not a Teamowner, BUT a Sprint Cup Champion, In my humble opinion his last chance to be a Champion was '04?...but he didn't FOCUS, Now he is the proverbial Horse and Carrot
Kyle Busch on the other hand is my kind of driver...Bold and Brash...Lead Follow or get the Hell out of the way...I recall Another driver...Hmmmm I think his name was Dale too(NOT making comparisons) that was brash too...Kyle is out there to Win in whatever he drives THAT is what it takes to be a Champion...and when all is said and done...Kyle will have more Championships, While Jr will be the NEW Mark Martin
Posted by: Fan #5 | May 30, 2009 9:46:27 AM
like lebron james, ky continues to be the MVP without a championship.
at the same point in his career i'm guessing Sr had 1 or 2 big championship trophies at home.
not so much with the little busch boy.
omg, ky wins in truck and i heard shaq was out looking at middle school games to dominate.
it's sickening to continue to say... of course i'm not comparin them two but ky reminds me of sr.
for one, Sr had class, while your new bff has none.
Posted by: exile | May 30, 2009 2:08:16 PM
exile, I'm not doing the actual research here, but Dale Earnhardt died when he was 50, in 2001. He won his first championship (I was there) at Ontario in 1980, so he would have been about 30. I think he was in his second season in Cup, because the year before he had won a race or two, which was pretty big news for a rookie back then. Kyle is 23 or 24, right?
Kyle is still very young; people have been telling him how great he is for several years now. They're throwing millions of dollars at him. Tough for a kid to maintain any sort of perspective under those circumstances - so many people are telling you how good you are that you tend to start believing it, right?
Kyle and Junior are two separate and distinct people coming from different backgrounds. Enjoy each for what he is and what he might be and what he could have been.
Posted by: Doug in CA | May 30, 2009 3:06:39 PM
Thank You Barrister!
Posted by: Fan #5 | May 30, 2009 3:34:34 PM
What has Junior ever done to Kyle Busch? Why does Kyle even have to open his big mouth up about Junior's troubles? Somebody needs to step up and "Jimmy Spencer" the little brother this time.
Posted by: Ironman | May 30, 2009 3:55:55 PM
I AM NOT A FAN OF EITHER OF THESE DRIVERS --- That said, Kyle Busch was commenting because the media ASKED him to. He should have said no comment, but doesn't know how. No matter what he said, he was going to be villified. Unfortunately, what he said was true. In NASCAR, the crew chief is always the first one to take the blame and get the axe. Just a fact of life.
Dale Jr. is a very likable guy and obviously has driving talent. He is humble and will take the blame when he feels he should - unlike Kyle. Now it's up to him to get his program together and commit to racing, if he is serious. Tony Jr. still has a job and now they can hang out and not feel the pressure from Jr. Nation and the rest of the NASCAR world.
One last note, Kyle needs to grow up.
Posted by: Sammy | May 30, 2009 6:43:24 PM
Ironman
What has Junior ever done to Kyle Busch?
Maybe, he resents Junior for taking his
ride at HMS. Just a thought. What do you
think guys?
Posted by: Dottie | May 30, 2009 6:45:46 PM
Kyle's the best thing that NASCAR has right now. He's runs up front just about every single week, he wins a lot and he has a personality. It's funny how the people that claim that NASCAR has become so vanilla and lacks personalities are the same people that complain about the one drive with a personality. Can you say hypocrisy? NASCAR needs more people like Kyle, not less.
Posted by: Ken | May 30, 2009 7:53:48 PM
well f5, thats a first. you thanking doug for laying out in a simple way how you are completely 100% wrong.
Posted by: exile | May 30, 2009 8:31:13 PM
that's like saying... you know that chas manson guy was a real character. he did a lot to liven up the courtroom.
if ky is the best thing going i am sad for the future of nascar.
Posted by: exile | May 30, 2009 8:35:45 PM
Uh; don't think so Ken!Did anybody get to interview the "TWERP" tonight after he screwed the pooch in both races? I'm not a fan of either driver,but would much rather listen to Jr. Than Kyle!!!By the way BITCHY unless I win is not a personality,It's a PUNK!!!
Posted by: The Bear | May 30, 2009 8:42:10 PM
When someone tries to ask Kyle about his PROBLEMS, he runs off like a little girl and hides under JD's skirt. He needs to keep his trap shut until he is man enough to talk about his f#%K ups.
Posted by: 68 camaro ss | May 30, 2009 9:32:45 PM
oh yeah, and don't brake check a rookie, who is gonna be on the gas big time, going into 1 on the last restart kyle.
doug the point was... Sr won his 1st championship in his 2nd year with a team not close to where HMS or jgr is relative to the other teams.
by Sr standards kyle should be a 2 or 3 time champ by now.
Posted by: exile | May 30, 2009 9:51:52 PM
Kyle better quit choking when the big trophy is on the line because Jr already has 2 Busch series trophys. Kyle couldn't even beat Truex for a Busch series title. Take away his Toyota advantage brought to you by NASCAR's desperate attempt to get them a Cup and he is just another driver.
Posted by: 68 camaro ss | May 30, 2009 10:56:12 PM
Kyle is arrogant......jealous of the fact that he was given the "boot" and that Jr is in his "seat"......Maybe if idiots like Busch who seem to complain that Jr gets all the attention and the media
would focus on the other 42 drivers Jr's "slump" may not seem so bad. Jr has been put through the wringer because of his name.....let off and let him drive
Posted by: Rae | May 30, 2009 11:42:49 PM
exile, no big beef here. We'll see if KB wins Cups. Personally, I think he'll win more than Junior, but that doesn't mean that I find Junior a far more appealing personality. He is. Kyle is young and immature. Check back in ten years and let's compare the careers. Hey, what do I know? My favorite driver will never win a title.
Posted by: Doug in CA | May 31, 2009 2:08:40 AM
Neither driver is my favorite, I am a Newman fan, but take a look at how the two handle adversity. Kyle Busch wins 20 races a year, and the ones he doesn't win he stomps off like a four year old brat. Jr barely ever wins, and is under constant scrutiny and has everyone breathing down his neck wondering why he cant live up to the high expectations, and he almost always grants the media an interview, even if he has his head in his hands with disappointment.
Jr is a man and KYle is a boy. I don't care how good everyone thinks KYle is.
Posted by: k39 | Jun 1, 2009 11:01:08 AM
k39, you got it right. As a driver, I'd rather have Kyle right now, but if I wanted to spend time with one of them, it would be Junior by a mile. Kyle is young and immature, but he'll learn. Junior has handled his situation with incredible grace and deserves kudos for his maturity.
Posted by: Doug in CA | Jun 1, 2009 11:27:09 AM
You Jr lovers are pathetic, especially you 68 Camaro SS.
Kyle is arrogant......jealous of the fact that he was given the "boot" and that Jr is in his "seat"......Maybe if idiots like Busch who seem to complain that Jr gets all the attention and the media
would focus on the other 42 drivers Jr's "slump" may not seem so bad. Jr has been put through the wringer because of his name.....let off and let him drive
If Jr. had the balls to say something back, he'd start gaining some of the respect his daddy had. Jr. is spoiled brat. Everyone now a days wants the old rough, hard nosed, rubbing is racing days back. Well here you freaking go. If someone got my seat because of his last name and not his ability, I would resent him also! The truth is, KB is more like Sr. than Jr. ever will be!!!!
Deal with it.
Posted by: Got Bush | Jun 1, 2009 7:35:27 PM
Jr. needs to go back to the Natiowide Series for a year or two. He sucks! I always see him uptown Charlotte hanging out with some very ugly bitches! He's got all that money and runs around with 4's and 5's.
p.s. Hey Jr., you ain't your daddy boy!
Posted by: Got Bush | Jun 1, 2009 7:52:44 PM
You want to spend time with Jr. because of his grace and maturity????? read what you wrote brother!!! Sounds kind of fruity. KB is a young brash ass whipper who only cares about winning!!! He runs all three series. does Jr.? Hell no, he's out clubbing on the weekends!!! Jr. used to claim all he wanted to do was race. There's a difference between racing and winning. Lake Speed, Kyle Petty, and the rest of the garbage ass lap traffic, they race. Gordon, Busch, Stewart, Johnson, they win. Earnhardt, for as much as you un-waivering fans want him to be, will never be better than average. Deal with it
Posted by: Got Bush | Jun 1, 2009 8:04:20 PM
This sport could certainly use a heated rivalry and we now have
one. Kyle Busch is chock full of talent, but his inability to
compose himself after a defeat is just plain childish. I belive that
maturity may be the cure, and hopefully he can keep his very
talented right foot out of his mouth in the future. The guy is a born racer and his aggressive driving style is refreshing. By the way, I am a Jr. fan. Fire away......
Posted by: LugNut | Jun 1, 2009 10:29:29 PM
Got Bush, I'm not a Jr. fan at all. Just sick of KY Jelly BOY who hasn't done squat.
Posted by: 68 camaro ss | Jun 1, 2009 10:36:22 PM
Everyone now a days wants the old rough, hard nosed, rubbing is racing days back. The truth is, KB is more like Sr. than Jr. ever will be!!!!
maybe you are right.
but, i'm not sure how runnin it down into 3 and wrecking several people including yourself is rubbin, or is that racin.
fab dept guys gotta hate the king of all wreckers unless it's around christmas and they need the o. t.
Posted by: exile | Jun 1, 2009 11:18:41 PM
Jr. needs to go back to the Natiowide Series for a year or two. He sucks! I always see him uptown Charlotte hanging out with some very ugly bitches!
Posted by: Kyle18
ok Kyle it's time for another meeting at jesus h. gibbs.
so ya better log out and head down the hallway.
i think todays topic, once again, is sumthang bout how to avoid the media when you feel like a big loser without looking like a weasel.
Posted by: exile | Jun 1, 2009 11:25:23 PM
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